Topic: Little cut and gilded demitasse cup & saucer - salviati?

[josordoni]

When I bought this little cup and saucer it was attributed to Salviati. However, Javier thinks it may not be Murano at all... any ideas of where it may be from?



http://clarkagency.co.uk/clicpicnov/_local_salviati_cup_711.htm

[Ivo]

Definitely not Murano, most likely to have originated in Bohemia or the Bavarian forest. As you see there is a blank space for engraving the name of the town (or spa) where it was sold, or the name of the recipient. There is a long tradition in Germany for these pieces, and this is a fine example.

[josordoni]

Thank you Ivo, it is a lovely little thing. The cutting is very crisp, and the gilding highlights it well.  

It has a very Edwardian look to my eyes, would you think that timing would be right?

[Ivo]

I would never call anything from Germany Edwardian. It could be as old as Biedermeier or it could be as recent as Neo-neoclassisistic - but well wedged inside the 19th Century.  So anytime between 1830 and 1900.... tending towards the latter. Hope this makes sense....

[josordoni]

I believe the handle was put on top to bottom before 1860 or so, and this is the later bottom to top, so I agree that it is likely to be later.  

Thanks again.

[catshome]

This looks identical to the one on page 84 of Miller's Collecting Glass (Yates), which is signed.  I only noticed it because today I saw what I think might be 2 of the ones below, but in black not orange, and was wondering how much it was worth paying for them.

If you wouldn't mind saying how much yours was - the book price £120-150 - it would give me a comparison.  Completely understand if you'd prefer not to post that info though.

Kind regards
Cat

[Max]

I've got that book, and the cup and saucer does appear identical.  It says it's signed by Salviati and dates from 1920.   

[Ivo]

<reshuffeling the collection of Bohemian Spa souvenirs>

[josordoni]

Oh well..... it sold for £12.50 some time back...so Millers, as usual, may be a LITTLE on the rich side...

 

here is the listing

I had listed it as a Bavarian souvenir as per Ivo, but no takers, then I went and had another look at the one on the Great-glass site and was pretty sure it was a Salviati, so listed it as such.  But it wasn't signed and that would make a huge difference to the end price.

Never mind, it came in a mixed lot, and I am not out of pocket on the lot.


 

[catshome]

Hi Lynne,

I guess, when this is your living, a profit is a profit.  Sometimes it can take years to find out about a piece and I imagine you would be over-run if you had to wait to know for 100% sure.  At least you know you did list this with the right description and it was only the lack of signature that held it back.

Not sure if the pieces I saw were signed (they were on the top shelf of a dealer's bit in an emporium and sooooo dusty) but they were £58 each which might make them a bit steep even signed!

Another day of learning so nothing wasted.

Cat