Topic: Jobling Green Bird Vase ID please - when is Jobling not Jobling?

[Decolucretia]

Hi there.  First attempt at a question post....here goes.  Wondering if anyone could assist with the attached photo. 

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4845

I found the vase in a seconds store years ago and always assumed it was made by Jobling.  It glows when exposed to UV.  I've searched the piece and have not found any maker's mark.  I have since seen very similar vases on e-bay, etc advertised as Verlys and Fenton.  How can I tell who made this piece? 

Michelle

[mhgcgolfclub]

Hi  Michelle

I do not have all the catalogues that some people have but I would say its not Jobling

regards roy

[Connie]

The Fenton/Verlys vase is different.  The birds are upright, heads together.

Fenton made these initially for Holphane from molds that Holophane acquired from Verlys.

See this thread for more detail:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,8783.0.html

Here is an example of the Fenton made Lovebirds vase

http://home.att.net/~happy-memories/pix/fntnsatinbirds.jpg

[Decolucretia]

Thank you Connie and Roy for your input.   

I had a look at the fenton / verlys photos - mine is definately different.  The bottom carries a pattern of what look like berries and lines.  I have a few other Jobling pieces (frosted) and this finish is similar though I always wondered about the lack of a maker's mark.

Does anyone have this vase and if so, does it contain any markings?  I can't find a photo reference for this piece on the net either.

[Mosquito]

Hello Michelle,

Thank you for sharing your confusing but very interesting vase. The pattern is a hybrid between the Verlys Pigeons and Lovebirds vases. As Connie states, on the Lovebirds vase the birds stand more upright, however, the birds on the larger Pigeons vase follow the curve of the piece as illustrated:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4490
The pattern on the foot and the overall shape of your vase is more consistent with the Lovebirds vase, however.

To my knowledge this green is not a Verlys colour and in my opinion it is either a copy of the Verlys pattern or a modification of a lovebirds mould. Unfortunately I cannot add anything further as to age or maker as I have never seen another like it.

I am fairly certain it is not a Jobling piece. It does not feature in either the 1934 or '37 catalogues and is not illustrated in Baker & Crowe. As an aside, however, Jobling did produce a lighting bowl decorated with three iris flowers (reg. no. 851364, registered 12/6/47) that appears to have been a close copy of a Verlys pattern (known as the 'orchid bowl' in the US, illustrated on p52 of McPeek 1972/92).

Steven

[Cathy B]

These turn up in Australia relatively often, and appear in amber or green. All the green that I have seen has glowed under UV.

Are they common in any other parts of the world? Christine, Glen, Pamela, Connie, have you people ever seen anything like them? I really wouldn't have imagined them to be Australian, even an Australian copy, because the pattern is just too fussy.

[Lustrousstone]

Can't remember seeing one. It's quite a yellowy green uranium though

[Mosquito]

Certainly not common in the UK and I've never seen one in France either.

[Glen]

I haven't seen one of these vases.

I do, however, have a 1970s purple Fenton "Lovebirds" (and as a point of interest, this vase was said to have been one of Frank M Fenton's favourite pieces).

[Connie]

I haven't seen one of these vases.

I do, however, have a 1970s purple Fenton "Lovebirds" (and as a point of interest, this vase was said to have been one of Frank M Fenton's favourite pieces).

Glen - could you post a picture of it, please.    If it is the same one, that is the item that is pictured in Fenton Special Order book from the original Verlys mold.  I couldn't find one of the internet to post and it is different from the custard lovebird vase I showed.