Topic: Baccarat Vase ?? Or swapped label?

[bubbles]

Please take a look at this listing on ebay 270090555119

I have a few of these for identification purposes of course!
 
I think the general concensus when these have been discussed before is that they are probably Chinese,
however I have never found any definite proof of this.  Murano is another favourite guess due to the bright colours, however I never ignore anything which may prove something beyond reasonable doubt, so I would love to hear your thoughts. Can anyone point me to a good source of info on Baccarat?

[catshome]

Hi Pat,

I wouldn't have given this a second look in a market if not for the label - would have immediately thought Chinese.  Same for this tortoise with the same paperweight look and silver label, although the label seems to say "a" instead of "o". 

http://www.iltarlo.it/shop/index.html?target=p_468.html&lang=en-us

Also, there seems to be something about Vessiers at Baccarat - book/catalogue for sale ref : 003628 on http://www.livre-rare-book.com/Matieres/ed/2118d.html

Not sure if it will help, but worth a try!

Cat

[bubbles]

Thanks Cat,

Found this one as well 130047136778, an intersesting lead.

[Ivo]

The town of Baccarat is a tourist trap: one long street with glass dealers selling cheap imported glassware, restaurants providing tourist menus for coaches etc.  Tourist buses go there to see the Baccarat museum and - works, but very few actually get to see the amazing modern church just over the bridge. There has been heavy fighting in WW2 and the old church was destroyed. The new one is early 1950s modernistic, and has the most amazing windows, donated by Baccarat.
I think Vessière is one of the local glass dealers in the main street.

[Pip]

The town of Baccarat is a tourist trap: one long street with glass dealers selling cheap imported glassware, restaurants providing tourist menus for coaches etc.  Tourist buses go there to see the Baccarat museum and - works, but very few actually get to see the amazing modern church just over the bridge. There has been heavy fighting in WW2 and the old church was destroyed. The new one is early 1950s modernistic, and has the most amazing windows, donated by Baccarat.
I think Vessière is one of the local glass dealers in the main street.

That sounds fantastic Ivo - right up my street!  I'll make sure to visit the church if I'm ever in the vicinity.

[Frank]

So a genuine label, a good result. Illustrating the commercial benefits of honest labelling.

[catshome]

Is it really that cut and dried?  It sounds a bit like all porcelain made in the Limoges region being referred to as being Limoges, which is misleading.  If the seller had listed it as a Vessiere paperweight vase, rather than simply Baccarat, or even Vessiere of Baccarat, it would have been less potentially misleading.

I don't mean to be picky...............honest!

Cat

PS There was a C. Vessiere who designed wheel cut cameo glass for Baccarat, with those pieces usually being signed. Ref: 'French Cameo Glass' by Blount p.125.

[Frank]

I did not say cut and dried, I said

the commercial benefits of honest labelling.

Of course how the eBay seller interprets it is something else. But who is being fooled? the label is clearly shown and the label is merely showing a retailers name and their city. Baccarat themselves are too fussy about who sells their glass so what choice do the retailers have who wish to benefit from glass tourism? Even if they got their glass from Waterford they would have a hard time selling to tourists against cheap touristware.

[Andy]

Is this not by renowned glass maker Ling Ling Hao Zhuo Xing Baccarat, from just south of Beijing?

[catshome]

Frank - I didn't mean to be off-hand............I'm not a morning person!  You can't blame the glass sellers Vessiere for wanting to capitalise on the famous name and reflected kudos of their location.    Cat