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Glass / Re: Cut lead crystal flower or hyacinth bulb vase for ID please
« Last post by chilternhills on Today at 12:40:15 PM »By the way, I've emailed Patricia and await her reply.
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Glass / Re: Cut lead crystal flower or hyacinth bulb vase for ID please
« Last post by chilternhills on Today at 12:17:57 PM »There is no sign of the vase ever having a stopper. The neck is absolutely smooth inside, without a scratch. It measures 15mm in diameter.
Agreed, the vase would be too small for a hyacinth bulb. I mention hyacinths only because that is what most associate this kind of vase. Patricia Coccoris mentions muscari, crocus, snowdrops, leucojum, and scilla in her book that have much smaller bulbs than hyacinth. Her book is available here: https://www.hyacinthbulbvases.com/. I just bought a copy.
Agreed, the vase would be too small for a hyacinth bulb. I mention hyacinths only because that is what most associate this kind of vase. Patricia Coccoris mentions muscari, crocus, snowdrops, leucojum, and scilla in her book that have much smaller bulbs than hyacinth. Her book is available here: https://www.hyacinthbulbvases.com/. I just bought a copy.
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British & Irish Glass / Re: Victorian frosted
« Last post by Ekimp on Today at 12:07:40 PM »Yes, very nice - I think they are finished as intended. I agree with your date estimate. In the small book Miller’s Glass Antiques Checklist, Mark West (consultant) they say “glasses made c.1860-1880 are characterised by a collar under the bowl”. They are talking about coloured glasses there but presumably it would also apply to clear glasses like yours. I don’t suppose the collar ‘rule’ is 100% reliable for dating though, that would be too easy!
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Glass / Re: Unusual Cranberry & Opalescent Bucket Handled Vase???
« Last post by LEGSY on Today at 11:30:32 AM »Thanks for looking it is an odd thingy what ever its for 
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Glass / Re: Purple Bagley Tulip Lamp
« Last post by Lustrousstone on Today at 10:46:22 AM »Amethyst was a Bagley colour apparently but a scarce one. There are two examples in the Bagley book
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British & Irish Glass / Re: Victorian frosted
« Last post by Keith Mick on Today at 10:37:35 AM »Hi,
You could be right about the surface abrasion method being the one used on these goblets. Having taken another look one does seem to show tiny track marks when held up to the light at the correct angle. I wasn't aware it was even a thing during the period!
It occurred to me after posting the article that much of the decorative work such as cutting was outsourced at the time and these glasses could have been "frosted" by the glass house almost as blanks but never went on to be cut.
I still think they're gorgeous! It's just a shame that its difficult if not impossible to get a maker's ID. From what I can tell date wise 1860-1880?
Thanks for your help,
Keith
You could be right about the surface abrasion method being the one used on these goblets. Having taken another look one does seem to show tiny track marks when held up to the light at the correct angle. I wasn't aware it was even a thing during the period!
It occurred to me after posting the article that much of the decorative work such as cutting was outsourced at the time and these glasses could have been "frosted" by the glass house almost as blanks but never went on to be cut.
I still think they're gorgeous! It's just a shame that its difficult if not impossible to get a maker's ID. From what I can tell date wise 1860-1880?
Thanks for your help,
Keith
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Glass / Re: Cut lead crystal flower or hyacinth bulb vase for ID please
« Last post by Keith Mick on Today at 09:54:21 AM »It's fairly small, could it be a cruet or perhaps a perfume?
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Glass / Re: Cut lead crystal flower or hyacinth bulb vase for ID please
« Last post by glassobsessed on Today at 06:57:00 AM »Has the inside of the neck been ground for a stopper to fit? Either way it is not meant to be a hyacinth vase, the opening into the body is way to small for a bulbs roots.
John
John
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British & Irish Glass / Re: Victorian frosted
« Last post by Ekimp on Today at 12:16:44 AM »Hi, a nice pair of goblets, a lucky find there! As you say, it might be difficult to pin down the maker.
Regarding the frosting, I doubt they are frosted by acid but by mechanical abrasion. If interested, there is quite a long topic covering how items were frosted here: https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,70868.msg397299.html#msg397299 . Reply 41 describes the abrasive frosting method.
As far as I’m aware, in the U.K. acid frosting (white acid) was developed by John Northwood c1867. The acid frosting is different from the acid etching used to make etched lines and patterns etc.
After acid frosting had been developed, items could still frosted by abrasion (and I think were quite likely to be if the object was a suitable shape).
Here is an abrasive frosted and acid etched goblet of mine that I’m sure is Richardson’s: https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,70755.msg402733.html#msg402733
Regarding the frosting, I doubt they are frosted by acid but by mechanical abrasion. If interested, there is quite a long topic covering how items were frosted here: https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,70868.msg397299.html#msg397299 . Reply 41 describes the abrasive frosting method.
As far as I’m aware, in the U.K. acid frosting (white acid) was developed by John Northwood c1867. The acid frosting is different from the acid etching used to make etched lines and patterns etc.
After acid frosting had been developed, items could still frosted by abrasion (and I think were quite likely to be if the object was a suitable shape).
Here is an abrasive frosted and acid etched goblet of mine that I’m sure is Richardson’s: https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,70755.msg402733.html#msg402733
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Glass / Re: Frosted decanter.
« Last post by Ekimp on Today at 12:14:07 AM »
Hajdamach on Northwood’s work on pages 184/185 says: “The effects produced by Northwood’s [acid etching] machines consisted only of outlines. If the areas inside the figures were to be shaded the glass was passed to the engraving shop. Broad copper wheels were used to matt [or frost] the surface...” [my square brackets]. He used this mechanical frosting over large areas as illustrated by a jug in Plate 166. He goes on to say Northwood then develops an acid etch frosting treatment used in conjunction with resists, but the grinding method was used by them until c1862.
The above from reply 8. The c1862 is a mistake, it should read c1867 (it was the jug show in plate 166 that was dated 1862). Could a mod edit it or add a note please?
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