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Hi bought this vase today it was with a load of Whitefriars glass vases and some holmegard vases, It is very good quality. Can anyone Id it for me please. its 15 1/2" high
thanks
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Cazza, there is one which looks the same as yours shown in the Dorling Kindersley Collector's Guides 20th Century Glass, by Judith Miller (ISBN 1-4053-0592-4), page 47, listed as "thought to be Holmegaard, dated 1960s". The height given in the book is the same as yours: 15½" (39.5cm) high. Nic may be able to add more info if it is a Holmegaard piece. Nice find! :D
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Hi there Anne
I think its holmgaard 1960's, there were other pieces there as well as some nice W/friars, everyone knew what it was though and it all cost a bomb, this piece I paid £15.00 for hope its worth more. Sorry to be a pest but how do I ask Nic for verification. ;D from a well happy bunny...
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H'm.
I doubt that it is Holmegaard - it looks too coarsely made. It's not dissimilar in basic form to a JE Bang pitcher from the 'Capri' range for Kastrup Glasvaerk - but the colour is all wrong, it lacks a pinched spout and the glass is far too thick. And, again, the quality doesn't look to be there.
My first instinct is Polish or possibly another Scandinavian factory. But probably Polish. I've had a few bits and bobs of Krosno glass in this same colour. Maybe someone else here will know?
Cazza, there is one which looks the same as yours shown in the Dorling Kindersley Collector's Guides 20th Century Glass, by Judith Miller
I don't like DK right now - their online antique & collectables guide is riddled with lots of really basic errors, and they refuse to enter into any correspondence over them. *grr* So even when they do have a chance to amend misattributions, they're not bothered.
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Hi there Nic
It feels like a qualty piece of glass not rough at all. Perhaps the colour in the photo is not as true as could be, had a lot of trouble with them, this was with lots of other holmegaard and it was filthy yes or ciggy smoke. Where could I start to look to investigate myself please. Also all the other glass was 1960's many thanks
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This is Kastrup's 'Capri-Blå', taken against a bright white uninterupted background, so it's about as light in tone as it's going to get:
Image (http://www.zeitgeist-i.com/G-Sc-38/images/1.jpg)
As you can see, it's still an awful lot darker than your pitcher, even though the glass is a lot thinner. Light turquoise just wasn't in Holmegaard or Kastrup's repertoire, c.1960, as far as I've found.
Can't really think of anywhere off the top of my head to investigate pitchers, beyond eBay and the other auction sites. If you wanted to look into the colours and forms of a number of Danish glassworks, then I can think of no better site than this:
Glashistorisk Selskab (http://www.glashistoriskselskab.dk/index.php?option=com_zoom&Itemid=1)
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This is the closest colour match I can find:
Holmegaard Pitcher (attrib.), probably c.1950 (http://www.zeitgeist-i.com/ebay_auctions/pitcher.jpg)
It's quite a dusky green-turquoise.
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Nic, could it be Ekenas ? ebay 200080287858 :-\
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The waisted form is a fairly common design spanning many designers and factories - but the pitcher in question doesn't really tie in with the Ekenas output that I'm familiar with (and, owning only one piece of Ekenas, that's not very familiar at all!). ;D
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Hi there Nic
It feels like a qualty piece of glass not rough at all. Perhaps the colour in the photo is not as true as could be, had a lot of trouble with them, this was with lots of other holmegaard and it was filthy yes or ciggy smoke. Where could I start to look to investigate myself please. Also all the other glass was 1960's many thanks
Hiya Cazza - knowing Nic's almost encyclopaedic knowledge of Holmegaard's production, if he says it's probably not Holmegaard then he's probably right - you might be better off concentrating your efforts researching other factories since Nic really does know what he's on about. I really can't see much point in asking questions and then not being willing to accept the answer that's given. I have to agree with Nic - it just looks too thick to be Holmegaard - it's a nice enough flask and a great colour but just not quite right. I do hope you find out who made it.
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Stop it, you're making me blush... ;D
I'm more of a hoarder of stuff than a knower of things. I'd be useless without my stacks of catalogue pages, links, photographs and (most importantly!) glass all piled up around me.
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Dont think its the ekanas, but I am no expert >:( wish I was, I am still learning.. will keep looking though.
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Hi there Nic
the pic you sent of 1950 pitcher looks the same colour to me. Have a couple more pics, which look more like it.
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/0/5/4/1/2/4/webimg/45013909_o.jpg
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/0/5/4/1/2/4/webimg/45013917_o.jpg
What do you think now please.
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Hello.
Much nicer photographs. I agree, the colours are similar, but I would still say that it's not Holmegaard, I'm afraid.
I'm happy to be wrong, and I frequently am, but I suspect not in this case. I own around 300 pieces of Holmegaard, probably nearly half of that being tableware, and I've handled/studied hundreds more, but I've still not come across any pitchers in this shape, size or thickness of glass. Nothing remotely similar appears in the original factory pricelists/catalogues I have either (although, admittedly, they're FAR from complete).
But even if it is Polish you've still got a pretty decent lump of decorative glass for your £15, so it's not all bad news. :) And there genuinely is nothing wrong with Polish glass - except for its resale value. I used to collect lots of crazy-shaped Polish pitchers when I first started in glass, and they're incredibly fun.
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I was just re-checking the reference in the DK book and that particular attribution is credited to Graham Cooley ( as in http://www.cambridgeglassfair.com/exhibitors/interviewarchive/int-cooley-graham.htm ) - does anyone have contact with him to be able to check if he revised this attribution later, or what he based it on originally? (Is he a board member?)
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Hi there Anne
Thank you for keep looking, I somehow think Nic could be wrong this time. I do not think the photo's helped, the glass looks thicker in the pics, but the picture which was posted before by him really is so similar, that it convinced me. Its a quality piece of that I am sure. I am fairly new to buying glass, but have found I have an eye for it. I was going to go to the library to check this one out as I do not have many books on glass. Although of course I have to respect you lot including Nic as I realise you all have a greater knowledge than me on this. If I prove to be correct I wonder what it would be worth, you see I buy mainly to sell, although I tend to keep the more unusual. Suppose that's where it all begins. :)
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As I said, I'm always happy to be wrong - but you'll be hard-pushed to find any conclusive evidence at your local library as there is very little research literature that covers Holmegaard in any real way, and what little there is is almost always full of errors. And all the good stuff is in Danish. And none of the good bits I have cover this pitcher.
One idea would be to send an email to Mogens Leth (the third name down on the drop-down menu) from the Glashistorisk Selskab Holbæk site on this page here:
Glashistorisk Selskab Contact Page (http://www.glashistoriskselskab.dk/index.php?option=com_contact&Itemid=3)
He speaks very good English and is a very nice chap. The society are busy preparing an exhibition at the Holmegaard museum, but should be able to get back to you after 27th April. The society have a near-complete collection of catalogues and a broad combined knowledge of Danish glass, not just Holmegaard specifically.
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Hi again Nic, thank you for the link, have sent an email. Will keep you informed of what he has to say. Just hope he understands the email.
You have all been very helpful and this is one of the nicest places to post questions, and pick brains.
Many thanks to all who contributed to this question.
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Stop it, you're making me blush... ;D
I'm more of a hoarder of stuff than a knower of things. I'd be useless without my stacks of catalogue pages, links, photographs and (most importantly!) glass all piled up around me.
Come off it Nic - you don't think that to be an EXPERT you have to hold everything in your head do you? Expertise is the ability to look at a piece of whatever it may be, and to know if it is right or not. You may not know EXACTLY what it is, but you normally can tell if it isn't...
I still make far too many basic errors to ever be called an expert in anything, but I'm enjoying the learning....
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Nice of you to say so. Although I still excell at making lots of basic errors when it comes to being instinctive, I just usually have the collected information around me with which to revise that initial opinion into an educated guess before it ever reaches these boards. Well, usually. ;D
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I was just re-checking the reference in the DK book and that particular attribution is credited to Graham Cooley ( as in http://www.cambridgeglassfair.com/exhibitors/interviewarchive/int-cooley-graham.htm ) - does anyone have contact with him to be able to check if he revised this attribution later, or what he based it on originally? (Is he a board member?)
Hi Anne, I have Graham's email addy and am in contact with him from time to time. I'll email and ask him although obviously he's terribly busy so may not reply immediately.
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Hi there Nic
Mogens has replied to me already, I have now sent him the photo's and have also told him I understand if it takes a while.
Thank you for your help.
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It'll be interesting to see what Mr Leth and Mr Cooley come up with.
Any chance of a peek at the Holmegaard pieces that the pitcher came with? ;D
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Hi Anne, I have Graham's email addy and am in contact with him from time to time. I'll email and ask him although obviously he's terribly busy so may not reply immediately.
Thanks Pip, it'll be interesting to read his reponse. :)
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After some late-night rummaging through some pitchers I have boxed up, I'd like to add to my original opinion the possibility of it being Italian.
I found a stunted grotty brown thing that looks, overtly, nothing like your pitcher... but it is borrowing heavily from the Scandinavian style - JE Bang in particular - and has a similar thickness of glass, with a very similarly formed rim. Can't ID a maker, as it only bears a generic 'Made In Italy' export label.
So just another thought to toss into the mix.
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Hi and good morning everyone. Firstly, the other pieces were not bought by me, one for sure was one of those holmegaard bottles in a kind of brown glass. Cannot remember the others well enough to describe, there was also some whitefriarss, wavey vase, ribbon trailed vase, and there were others of those as well, couldnt afford them most sold in the £40 range. I am not well enough off, so opted for the blue tall vase. There was also one of those castle vases, that look llike W/F if you dont know what your looking for.
I am very pleased with all the help you have given, and will keep you posted as to what Mogens says. And am looking forward to the other replies from the people you have also asked. If nothing else this has turned out to be a very interesting and enjoyable experience, no one has ever tried so hard to help me before.
:)
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Graham Cooley has replied to my email (huge thanks to him for taking the time to reply) and here's what he said...
'Thanks for the email. I was originally convinced that they were Holmegaard but am now unsure. I’ve got 8 of them bought over about 10 yrs in blue, purple and green. My attribution came from colour (they are uncased), quality of production and design (they look very Bang); my only reservation was the weight. I have never seen a reference. I think they are vases not pitchers; the conical shape directs the flower cone, the weight provides stability. They’re great objects and will eventually be positively ID’d; when I find one with a sticker I’ll let you know.'
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Pip, thank you for contacting Graham and for posting his reply. So it's still an open question as to who made them... all we need now is a labelled one as Graham says.
Nic, your instincts were right! Nice one. 8)
Cazza, I think we can safely say the earlier reference I quoted is dubious.
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It's good - for me at least - that I wasn't wrong, but it does mean it's a bit of a pain for a definite attribution. ???
See what the glass society lead comes up with.
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Hi there Nic and Pip and Anne
Still inconclusive, I await Mogens reply with great anticipation. Whatever it is, I have learned loads from this.
I still hope its homegaard. :-)
Not sure how long I will wait for his reply, but be assured will post his reply, I have one question if it takes say a couple of weeks for his reply should I open a new discussion or just search for this thread and post from here.
Cazza
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Just add it to this thread - if it's a useful conclusion, then it's good to keep everything in one place for archiving purposes if it makes the cut.
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Out of curiousity, did Mr. Leth get back to you on your enquiry?
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Hi all at glassmessages
Leith did reply, sorry been so busy. Thank you for helping me.
Here is a copy of the reply.
Hello Carol.
Thursday I shared your photo file with my network.
I'm sorry, but nothing definite came up.
An outspoken hesitation towards calling it Holmegaard.
I consulted a couple of experienced glassblowers who were present at the
opening of our Jacob E. Bang exhibition.
I, myself would feel inclined to say Swedish ....
Sorry, can't make it any better.
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Thanks.
Swedish? That's a surprising guess. Hopefully one with a label will turn up sooner or later and put us all out of our miseries. I've kept an eye out for these on eBay and at fairs, but no such luck as yet.
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Hi can I throw in a possible manufacturer? Magnor, Norway? I have nothing to which to refer, but something at the back of my mind is reminding me of a similar vase /carafe I had years ago, and was attributed to Magnor by a friend who was into Scandi stuff then. Perhaps another avenue to explore? Emmi
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Thought I'd drag this one up from the archives, to see if anyone can help. I would be interested in either purchasing one of these carafes/pitchers to use as a comparison against the Chance 'Giraffe' carafe, c.1957 onwards, or a photo of same.
BTW, it is worth noting the design similarity to Holmegaard's Jazz carafe from the Meantime range: http://holmegaard.com/presse/detail.asp?iType=&iPic=134