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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: jonchellycain on May 19, 2009, 01:36:36 PM
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Hi there
i bought this around 3 months ago and have been completly stumped by it ever since, it has a scratched signiature to the base which appears to be 3 words (formation = 2 words, 3rd word under second word) it is quite hard to make any letters out at all but a complete and utter guess lu???? pasla??? x????r not even sure ive counted the right amount of letters in each word
31.5cms in diameter, 8.5cms at it highest weighs in at almost 1.2kgs. The underneath is slightly rough to the touch (where the black is) all the colour comes from the base almost laid onto the glass, not within?? quite hard to descibe what i mean but i hope you get the gist of it
many thanks
jonchellycain
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Crikey, I can't make any of that out. :cry: It just looks like a scratch to me.... the bowl looks vaguely familiar though - I'm sure someone's asked about this style before but I can't remember what or when or who. :-\ Hopefully someone else will pick up on it though.
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i have so many pieces like this that i have no idea who they are by, i wont sell things that im not sure of now becasue when i first started selling i sold a very rare piece of barovier for £10 (although i bought it for just £1, so still a profit) and have since seen it valued at £1000-£2000 :o..not a good move but hey we all learn..and i for one will never forget that piece lol
I will continue my search, fingers crossed somebody has an idea, or can at least point in some direction
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Ouch! That was a lesson learned for sure. :o I'm sure someone will know - a few of the regulars are off on hols at the moment though so it may take a while. If no-one picks up then we'll bump it back up again in a few weeks time. 8)
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Any chance of a full picture of the base.
Mike www.abfabglass.co.uk
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hope this helps
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It is not "unusual piece" but waster - somebody tried to make the best from the bad job.
The simmilar Skrdovice piece "designed" by Jirina Zertova can be seen in musem in Nove Mesto na Morave. I have hard the complete and true story how this "art idea" has been brought forth :-)
Jindrich
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Any chance on letting us all in on the story????
Mike www.abfabglass.co.uk
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Story is simple.
The target was dish - plate or how to say it in English, simple flat rouded piece. It has happened that due to mistake was one side crippled ane overlapped the plate - as you can see at picture.
Wow - people said - isnt't it nice? It is something new, plate with one side ovelapped.
Soon it was presented in journals as designed plate, rather than waster. The first wa accident, than came idea.
This story told me Frantisek Vizner when we together looked at simmilar piece in Nove Mesto na Morave museum last winter. Also my friend Marcus Newhall was there and I suppose he can can confirm the story.
Jindrich
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Until Jindrich came along, I was going to suggest that the folded over effect, the little wrap to gather the glass, and the foil at the edge wouldn't be out of place in a Murano piece. But the colour at the centre is a little unusual.
Jindrich, did the Czech piece have the same colours and gold foil as this one?
David
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No, not at all. Plate is twice time bigger and rather red.
I suppose that the same acident could happen in another glass-shop in world and the idea to exploit not expected shape was the same.
Jindrich
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This is quite a common shape from several glassworks - including Murano and some Scandi glassworks amongst others - personally I doubt very much they all rushed to copy a mistake made in Czechoslovakia.
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hi pip, i thought that too as without the fold and the little curled over "rose" bit, the plate would actually be not that great, but i think that makes it more of an interesting design which a lot of people would think 'oh thats really different, i like that' people always like things which they percieve as different..
many thanks for everybody's input
jonchellycain
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Exactly Pip,
people doing the same job tend to make same mistakes everywhere :D
Jindrich
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All very interesting Jindrich however the original poster asked if anyone could read the signature or knew who had made it.
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Hello Jindra8526
What a dissapointing answer to the true story. ::) :huh:
I feel really let down.
Mike www.abfabglass.co.uk
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I find any first-hand story from Vizner very interesting. Thanks Jindrich.
Maybe we'll have to wait a bit longer for this signature to be identified. :)
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another old one from the depths, hopefully better pictures and talc on the signiture may get an ID
http://i77.servimg.com/u/f77/14/37/17/66/100_8327.jpg
http://i77.servimg.com/u/f77/14/37/17/66/100_8328.jpg
Ther last part looks like KIU ?
Many thanks
Michelle
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lovely mods, is there any chance of this one going back over into glass now the signiture is clearer
many thanks
michelle
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Jsut picture of Zertova piece we spoke about
http://picasaweb.google.com/Jindra8526/SbirkaHorackeGalerie?authkey=Gv1sRgCN6U3efN_8WGoQE#5431790051906644386 (http://picasaweb.google.com/Jindra8526/SbirkaHorackeGalerie?authkey=Gv1sRgCN6U3efN_8WGoQE#5431790051906644386)
Jindrich
www.cs-sklo.cz
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Hi jindra
your link isn't working it's just going straight onto my picasa album, which is what happened when I sent the wrong link through on a previous thread.
Do u think this is zertova???
Many thanks
michelle
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It is working Michelle; it must be your browser defaulting. Are you just clicking on the link?
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Hi christine yes will try when I get home maybe just not working on my phone, just takes me straight to my picasa album
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Hi there
Its working on my home computer, although im still somewhat confused (sorry probably being quite thick) are you saying this is Zertova's signiture or its just similar to the piece in your picasa album??
many thanks again
michelle
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Three little tricks that may help - I have had to use all three from time to time:
1. Rub a pencil lightly across the signature area. The rough surface willl be darkened and the signature will stand out being lighter
2. Gently rub talc across the signature so the grooves fill with it then carefully clean off the talc from the flat surface - hopefully you have a white signature on a dark back ground.
3. Try taking a picture of the signature so that light is reflected off the flat base. The signatire will then appear darker because it absorbs the light.
Hope that one of these is of use in getting a good photo.
Ross
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I do not know the origin of the plate discussed here, but I am pretty sure that piece at my picture is designed by Jirina Zertova and made in Skrdlovice.
The picture si from permanent Skrdlovice exhibition in Horacka galerie in Nove Mesto na Morave see:
http://www.cs-sklo.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo/25-STARE-CLANKY-OLD-ARTICLES/1027-Horacka-Galerie
it is labled at stool and moreover we have discussed this piece with Frantisek Vizner.
Jindrich
www.cs-sklo.cz
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With respect to Jindrich, I’m pretty sure Michelle's piece isn't a Zertova bowl, or even one influenced by her. As others have said, this is a very typical Murano design. Fratelli Toso, in particular, did many bowls and ashtrays with the folded over section and the roll into a tight little shell at the end of the fold. The use of the foil is typical of Murano at that time. This one is unusual for the having the foil round the circumference of the bowl and the charcoal colour in the centre. I don't think the signature will lead to the maker.
Here’s an ashtray with the shell effect.
I'd start by looking at Fratelli Toso and then AVeM.
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I suppose you are true David. I only pointed to the funny design issue - in Zertova piece happened accidentaly not intentionaly.
How it was in Murano or whatelse I do not know.
Jindrich
www.cs-sklo.cz
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????
Just a couple of suggestion here to ponder on.
Could it be a Name.....then the word underneath be Kaiser ? Is there a Place called kaiser?? If it is that word, could it stand for something -- a Glass works maybe ????
I think it looks like something like this:
??? Lucas Paslowe ????
??? kaiser ???
(or something like that) then underneath the Signature -- It looks like Kaiser....but that is just a GUESS !! :ho: :thud:
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ahremck Ive tried all three methods best on is the talc one (pictures in previous reply http://i77.servimg.com/u/f77/14/37/17/66/100_8327.jpg
http://i77.servimg.com/u/f77/14/37/17/66/100_8328.jpg).
The pencil way you cant see a thing and the photographing ive tried ever concivable light and angle and still not picking it up well. The base is not flat or smooth so the light does not reflect neither does the signiture unfortunitly.
Langhaugh when you say "I don't think the signature will lead to the maker." do you think the signiture is a later addition, possibly by the previous owners? or just that its so impossible to read
Antiquerose123, everytime i look at that signiture i see something different and the power of suggestion is a wonderful thing as all i can see now is
Lucas Paslowe kaiser :chky: whereas before i thought i could see Jirina Zertova if i stare at it anylonger i will probably be able to see antiquerose123 :D
cheers
michelle
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i have so many pieces like this that i have no idea who they are by, i wont sell things that im not sure of now becasue when i first started selling i sold a very rare piece of barovier for £10 (although i bought it for just £1, so still a profit) and have since seen it valued at £1000-£2000 :o..not a good move but hey we all learn..and i for one will never forget that piece lol
I will continue my search, fingers crossed somebody has an idea, or can at least point in some direction
Hello,sorry to ask this here because iy has noting to do with the question above but:I have seen a vase of Whitfriars(photo 6)in the link to your pictures!I have a big vase with a simular colour,witch I can not identify!Can you take al ook at the pictures for me!Thank you very much!
Lisa
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@ lwerk - I think you need to start a new post (topic) for your item. I am sure the MODS can move it to it own heading so we can work on it, separate from this post ;) ;) Very pretty. Will try to help when it is in it own post, as so will others...
Antiquerose123, everytime i look at that signiture i see something different and the power of suggestion is a wonderful thing as all i can see now is
Lucas Paslowe kaiser :chky: whereas before i thought i could see Jirina Zertova if i stare at it anylonger i will probably be able to see antiquerose123 :D
cheers
michelle
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Sorry -- I was just throwing thought from my head and the More heads :ghug: together are better. Someone else may pick up something from a suggestion. It just kinda looked like that to me, but I need new 8) anyways....lol
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Michelle: Yes, I was suggesting that the name might have been added post purchase as it hasn't been done effectively or professionally. Is it a kind of scavo finish on the bottom?
Lisa: The base of your piece looks like the base on a few Harrachov pieces I've seen. I don't recognize the top though. Jindrich would know best.
David