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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: casalibre on January 10, 2010, 09:57:08 PM
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...what is it exactly ?
The centre cane looks like an "T" or perhaps more like an "auction hammer"?
Does anybody know more about it?
Or is it not Perthshire?
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Possible Strathearn,have a few myself,it looks very similar,Keith.
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Sorry Keith, but it's not Strathearn, because as far as I know they never made weights with central sections like that.
From my own knowledge, backed up heavily with info from the book The Complete Guide To Perthshire Paperweights, I would say that most of the features tie in with a Perthshire Paperweights PP1 design. But the fire polished base indicates pre-1978, after which the base was hollow ground. But if the central cane is a "T" then that would indicate one of their less common "letter canes" (normal used in only a few designs) denoting a date of 1988. And that does not fit with the base finish. Also the post-78 pattern differed by having an outer ring of twists and then a ring of canes.
PP2 design could fit except, again, for the base which after 1978 was hollow ground.
I seem to remember a "gavel" cane being mentioned by somebody at a paperweight club meeting. Whether this is one of those, I can't say.
Needs somebody with a better understanding of the many variations of Perthsire Paperweights designs and specials to sort this one out.
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Some 18 months ago a similar weight (same T cane, but different colours and only 1 cane circle around the complex T cane), fire polished base and Perthshire paper label, was sold by "photo" (and most will know that he's not unfamiliar with Perthshire weights) described as "A very unusual Perthshire paperweight, it has a gavel or little hammer in the central cane. Size approx. 2.5 inches and has a dark blue base colour."
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Don't know if it helps, I sold a Perthshire weight a few weeks ago, not the same pattern but had the'T' in the centre, searched carefully with a glass I found a letter 'P' within one of the pink outer canes.
Chris
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Would you still have images? As the weight contained a 'P' signature cane, the 'T' cannot be the annual letter (1988): to my knowledge weights with annual letter canes didn't contain a 'P' cane.
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Hi just checked feedback and the pictures have gone item no 170403532439 definitely had the 'P' and pretty sure the same or similar in the centre. The guy who bought was a collector so he may be of help if you contact him, sorry could not be more help.
Chris
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..... if you contact him, ...
Some contact info would be helpful for this :huh:
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Hi, copy and paste the link into ebay a quick search will show you the item and the seller me, click on my feedback 1st page 7th item down will show the buyers id you could get in touch through ebay messages.
Did try to send you a private message with the buyers details, but not working for me?
Not trying to make it difficult for you honest ;D just it did not seem right to put someone's details on here.
Regards Chris
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Chris, that was very reasonable to avoid putting the buyer's details in this message.
However, perhaps you could contact the buyer on behalf of all of us in this discussion. Contact from you, as the seller, would perhaps be more productive than from one of us as just interested parties to this message. If you mentioned this message, with a link, then perhaps the buyer could be encouraged to join in here (if they are not already a member, that is) and post some images of the weight.
Perthshire weights such as these are unusual and I am sure everyone would benefit from the extra information that could be gained.
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Hi, I have emailed the seller with a link to the post and inviting him to join the debate, pretty hopeful as he is Scottish and a paperweight collector if not could he give a better description than I did about the centre cane.
Cheers Chris
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.... Did try to send you a private message with the buyers details, but not working for me? Not trying to make it difficult for you honest ;D just it did not seem right to put someone's details on here.
Regards Chris
Chris, that was very reasonable to avoid putting the buyer's details in this message.
I was not expecting to see buyer's details on the board (which should be avoided) - a direct mail would have been fine: so question to the moderators - why would it not work for Chris? My mail address is not hidden - and clicking on the mail icon immediately opens a mail window for me, with the mail address already in.
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That's because he tried to send a private message via the little man icon, not an email. PMs are disabled on the board
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That's because he tried to send a private message via the little man icon, not an email.
Which shows then my mail address in my profile - just one mouse click more ;).
PMs are disabled on the board.
.... which is a pity :'( ... would be useful to have this feature to contact members off the board, even if they do not want to show their mail address!
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For the background to the restricted use of the Personal Messaging system, please see this Help topic (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,29064.msg157546.html#msg157546) in the Board Information, Help & Announcements forum.
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I'm wondering if anyone knows who this is by, it looks scottish to me? Any ideas?
See here for auction page. (http://www.tooveys.com/lots.asp?WEBLOTID=181580&LOTID=1607&AUCTIONID=897)
Mod: Image replaced by a link to the auction site (as per Wuff's post below)
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That signature cane in the center should give it away in a heart beat to people in the know. However I'm not in the know yet :P Can you tell what letter it's sposed to be? Looks like a T or an L to me.
The weight in general reminds me of the one I have that was debated to be either Strathearn or Early Perthshire but might have been Ysart.
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Well -the centre cane is not a signature cane - it depicts a gavel.
This weight was made by Perthshire and has been discussed here previously (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,30982.0.html).
The image in this thread has been taken from a Toovey's auction (http://www.tooveys.com/lots.asp?WEBLOTID=181580&LOTID=1607&AUCTIONID=897) - where the weight is described as "made to commemorate 200 years of Phillips auctioneers": a plausible explanation of this unusual cane - I have contacted Toovey's and asked on what this explanation is based.
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Version of this paperweight is in Tooveys sale on 4th November.
Mod: See recent posts above - which are now merged with the earlier thread about a similar weight. (Details of posts will be tidied up later, depending on any further input to the discussion.)
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It's a Perthshire paperweight with what looks like a âTâ in the center but it is actually a silhouette of a gavel or hammer made for a special order.