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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Paul S. on August 29, 2010, 12:12:33 PM
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I have an example of the more usual size (6.75 inches) in blue - with the typical mould 'cross' on the base (shown here in pic. three). However, found this one earlier today, which is almost 9 inches/227mm tall - and the 'green' seems to agree more or less with the Borske Sklo green. However, the 'knobbles' are less pronounced/pointed - they fade towards the base - but most importantly, the base has a very different mould 'star' impression, instead of the cross. Rim is ground/polished as usual. I understand that other factories produced similar pieces - so am thinking this green one may well be some other output rather than Borske Sklo, unfortunately. Very grateful for other people's opinion/thoughts, and as always thanks for looking.
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I would say deffo Sklo
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I assume you mean Borske Sklo, not Sklo Union or ZBS any other sklo - sklo just means glass. It's like referring to any of the English companies as Glass or Scandinavian companies as Glas.
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Yes it's a Borske Sklo Knobbly bobbly as I like to call them :hiclp: :)
They all have the star on the bottom, well mine do anyway. I didn't know they came with crosses.
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If it is a Borske Sklo knobbly vase, why is the base so different from Paul's blue one? (I've never had the pleasure of handling a Borske Sklo optic range vase, so I don't know what the base should look like.) Are both bases common/normal? Maybe one of these vases is not Borske Sklo.
By the way, Paul, is the green as bright as it appears in your photo? (I like the green -- the vase looks like a happy blown up toad ;) )
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Can we have a picture from the top down and a picture of them both together?
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thanks to both of you. Couldn't agree more Christine, this hurried use of the work Sklo means nothing of course, since, as you say it means, simply, 'glass'. If I gave the impression that I didn't know that, then apologies. I had taken my use of the expression from Mark Hill - and perhaps should have said just 'Borske'. On the other hand, Marcus Newhall's book is called Sklo Union - and has nothing to do with mould blown glass (his book is concerned with pressed glass only).
Let me be really specific - I am referring to Mark Hill's book 'Hi Sklo Lo Sklo' - page 'soixante neuf' (top left pic.). In truth I was worried that my piece wasn't a 'Borske' piece because of the mould impression on the base - very different from my smaller 'knobbly bobbly', which has just the crossed lines.
However, in view of the replies from 'dinklepip' and 'Nemmie', I now feel reassurred, and will catalogued this large green piece as Borske. It really is an impressive lump - big as a football.
thanks to all of you - and I feel really happy. :)
P.S. just seen Anik's contribution. I agree, I don't know why the mould mark is different - but these others guys know more than me, so I take their word for it. I had questioned the attribution, simply because the book does say that other factories made similar pieces. Sorry, green and I have an unhappy history here on the GMB ;D, so dangerous waters for me to venture into. I don't know too much about happy toads :) but I sense your meaning.
P.P.S. I s.u.p.p.o.s.e so - I started typing this years ago - people keep coming in and I have to keep adding bits. :)
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The thing is that now I am doubting whether mine are. They are not as big as footballs but they do have the star pattern on the bottom.
I bought two from Ebay that were listed as Borske and picked up one from a boot fair which means that they might have been listed incorrectly and therefore my attribution of the third was also incorrect.
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I was just quoting Mark Hill, who says......'and a full or partial impressed 'cross' on the base which was left by the four part moulds used'..........so I thought that my green one which has this more 'star like' mould impression, was quite likely not a Borkse piece. As I have said..... my smaller blue vase does have the 'cross' impression. Does anyone still want to see more pics. of either vase??
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I was just quoting Mark Hill, who says......'and a full or partial impressed 'cross' on the base which was left by the four part moulds used'..........so I thought that my green one which has this more 'star like' mould impression, was quite likely not a Borkse piece. As I have said..... my smaller blue vase does have the 'cross' impression. Does anyone still want to see more pics. of either vase??
Yes I see your point and mine going by that statement are not Borske either. I will just try not to think about it. :)
At least I found some more Vizner today which almost makes up for it.
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Does anyone still want to see more pics. of either vase??
Out of curiousity, could you post a picture of both vases side by side? And a picture taken from the top looking straight down? Thank you :)
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My little dig was at Dinklepip. Sklo is fine when used as part of a name but meaningless otherwise.
Mark does say other glass factories in other countries later produced similar ranges. If these ranges were produced for a long while it is possible that the machines and moulds used changed. The only way to perhaps tell if the cross and star versions were made in the same place is to count the top row of knobbles in two items if the same size.
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I have taken more pictures as requested - not sure if they will help. Unfortunately, since my two examples are of differing sizes, counting the top row of 'knobbles' of no help here. In the last pic. you can see the marked difference in shape of knbble. Anyone else have have two of the same size with both both base marks?
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Paul, thank you for the extra pictures.
The two vases, when side by side, do look a bit different. The 'knobbly' bits begin much closer to the top on your large vase, and the knobbles, as you've stated, are different in shape/structure. The inside of the vases are also dissimilar... I really do wonder if they are both Borske Sklo?
Has anyone got a 100% confirmed Borske Sklo "knobbly" vase to compare? Maybe Jindrich will pop in and set us straight. :-\
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thanks Anik - but I wuld just say that in my own mind I do not have a problem with the blue vase - I do consider this to be a genuine Borske Sklo 'Knobbly' vase (the base cross mould mark I think clinches the fact). It is the green example that has me perplexed, however. :)
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Looking at your large green vase again, the vase in this thread http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,30415.0.html has got a similar 'star' impression to its base. (Jindrich says it is not Borske Sklo.)
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Sadly my small ones are the same as the large one, so they are not Borske but I wish someone had mentioned what the label had said on the one listed on Ebay so I could put a name to them.
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Anik - my thanks again, and have to say that although I was involved in the item you linked, I had forgotten completely :-[ However, having looked at the base of the linked vase - and now again at my green one, there are quite significant differences. These are.......the clear vase has mould lines which thicken considerably as they go away from their centre - mine do not, they are quite fine and are uniform throughout their length. My lines 'turn the corner' of the base, and come up the side of the vase, albeit for about a centimetre only - the clear lines do not. I could be wrong, but the clear base lines appear to be sunken - the green ones are certainly in relief. The bottom line of the clear 'knobbs' is very near the base, whereas mine are at least 2.5 cms. up.
Of course, the green vase may well still be from the same stable as the clear piece. However, I will keep an open mind just for the moment. :)
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Hi, my amber knobbly (12cm) has the patterned base and has the original label, it reads 'Bohemia Glass' and 'made in Czechoslovakia'. I have tried to show the label, its in Ivos glass fact file a-z page 23. My other knobbly is amber with a lid and slightly larger at 23 cm to top of lid. It has the same patterned base. Cheryl
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Okey dokey..........two of the same size
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e57/emmismith/Czech/Borskeknobblypair.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e57/emmismith/Czech/BorskePairbases.jpg)
Both 6.75 tall. Different bases. And the only other difference I can see is that on the green one, the rim slightly stands upright and the brown one completes the ball shape without deviation. Any answers to this?
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although the base pic. of your green ball vase could have been improved, I think I'm seeing the 'crossed lines' seam from the mould - therefore definitely a Borske mould blown ball vase, and the size agrees with the book. Sorry, but I'm seeing the other ball as grey......not brown. Did you mean brown, or perhaps Amber? - I'm not so sure that there is a real brown colourway in these pieces. However, quoting Lustrousstone.......'The only way to perhaps tell if the cross and star versions were made in the same place is to count the top row of knobbles in two items if the same size'....you might also count the total number of horizontal rows of knobbles on each ball. For what it's worth it may not be of much use putting any value on the slight variation of the rims. From what I can see, the knobbles on both of these balls appear equally proud, although I could be wrong.
However, in view of the information from mrs. vulture, these 'star' based pices do have a very good chance of being simply generically Bohemian.
At what size do you post your pics. Emmi. :)
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Paul, I think in this instance you mean generically Czech, and not Bohemian. :)
By the way, is there such a thing as 'generic' Czech glass?
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So sorry... looks like I lept before I looked again...
Paul, when you said 'generically Bohemian', you were referring to the 'generic' Glassexport 'Bohemia' label, weren't you? :-[
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Hi friends,
here is example of Borské sklo in the very recent and ugly form from this summer, possibly sale of stocks, I hope. So it means that this type of glass was in production also few years ago.
http://picasaweb.google.cz/Jindra8526/KonecCeskehoSklarstvi?authkey=Gv1sRgCK2U_56akrGg3QE#5487465509234485314
Please focu to different type of Czechoslovakian glass, this Borské is something what I cannot be proud about. :-)
Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo
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1) the "brown" one is definitely more brown than grey, suppose you could define the colour more by calling it "mink brown"?
2) Never thought I'd spend time counting rows and bubbles, but here as follows:
Brown Green
11 rows 15 rows
24 blobs around rim 20 blobs around rim
Internal diameter Internal diameter of rim 8 cms.
of rim 9 cms
Cross lines on base Star treatment on base
3)As for picture size. Don't know I just point and click, I think it is on a the VGA setting and then I load them into Photobucket. The size of the 2 vase pic is 319 x 199 and the size of the base pic is 320 x 158 - is that what you mean?
Well, what do I do now? Count the grains of sugar in the bowl perhaps? LOL!
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Please focu to different type of Czechoslovakian glass, this Borské is something what I cannot be proud about. :-)
Jindrich, they're not THAT bad! Although I do not have one, I kind of like them because they are tactile... I'd like to rub my fingers over the knobbles. ;D
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quote from Anik.........'Paul, when you said 'generically Bohemian', you were referring to the 'generic' Glassexport 'Bohemia' label, weren't you?'...........yes, I was Anik. But no harm done, you realised in time :), and as for .......'I'd like to rub my fingers over the knobbles'..........I daren't even think of replying to that. >:D
Emmi........Mink Brown sounds a bit unusual for a Borske piece.....But the point is that in using Christine's suggestion you have shown that your two ball vases originated from two very different moulds, and I suspect that your 'mink brown' vase may well be Bohemian or possibly the more modern 'ugly' Czech production that Jindrich now speaks of. Certainly Mark Hill refers only to those pieces that have the 'cross' mould seam as being of genuine period Borske origin. However, you have a very nice pair of vases - trouble is that round things take up a bigger footprint, and when every square centimetre counts, well..........
Someone asked Bette Davis how she acquired here mink coat.........."the same way that mink get mink was the reply".
Why aren't you using 'Irfanview' - it's a free download, and allows very wide variation with picture size. I am unable to change the size of your pictures in the format you send them, and the first figure of 319/320 is really too small. It should be 700 pixels for the first number. Do try the Irfanview download, and think you will then find it really useful, but in the meantime please forget the sugar grains. ;)
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I am unable to change the size of your pictures in the format you send them,
That's because Emmi is pasting them in, not attaching them or hosting them elsewhere.
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But the point is that in using Christine's suggestion you have shown that your two ball vases originated from two very different moulds,
Yes, that was the point, I have had the brown one for some time, today I found the green one so thought it was a good opportunity to prove that point.
Why aren't you using 'Irfanview' - it's a free download, and allows very wide variation with picture size.
Because I am quite happy with what I do at the moment, and haven't the brain to change my habits! Is it a problem? Maybe you need to go to SpecSavers? I don't spend ages in photographing things, so what you see is what you get. I just copy and paste a link from Photobucket and hey presto! Can't teach an old dog new tricks, don't you know :24:
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Because I am quite happy with what I do at the moment, and haven't the brain to change my habits! Is it a problem? Maybe you need to go to SpecSavers?
:spls: Emmi, I don't think Paul's intention was to criticise you... I believe he was just trying to make a helpful suggestion. Initially, I didn't realize that your pictures were pasted -- I clicked on the second one because I was interested in having a closer look at the bases and was disappointed when nothing happened.
And I do have my glasses on (a rare occasion). :)
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I took it that he was trying to be helpful not a criticism :) The fact is that the cross on the base of the green vase is very very feint and whatever the size of photo it would not have shown up.
But the fact is I am beyond help regarding photos and learning other systems of loading them here (or elsewhere) :24: