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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: antiquerose123 on July 30, 2011, 11:52:40 AM
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Good Morning -- I could not sleep here, and gonna jump in the shower here -- and have my morning Coffee.... ;D
I am posting this for a friend that bought this. She does not have a digital Camera, or know how to post pics. I told her that I think this is Chinese (but still pretty) and I just wanted to confirm my thoughts to her. I had to drag this home here to take the pics of it (as I am going to email the pics to her) so she has them. Anyways, blah, blah, blah......
I am pretty sure this is Chinese. It is very heavy with foil flakes -- but the flakes look different than what others look like -- but what I am not sure about --- is when you look at the bottom, there is quite a bit of wear. So I was wondering if this is just older Chinese glass, or not? I just want to be sure I give the right info to another person when she asked me about it. I do not want to burst her bubble either -- so if this is still older Chinese made glass -- it is still older (right??) due to the wear.
I am not an appraiser here -- but think what I told her is correct ?? but then the wear on the bottom was bothering me -- so I thought for her sake (and her asking my opinion on it) I best drag it home, take pics of it -- and get your opinion.
I will take it back to her today, and we will have a visit, and some coffee together :t:
Awwww :phew: there. I can breathe easier now, as I do not want to tell her the wrong info....as it was still just an educated guess. I know she will still like it as I am always talking *Glass* to her....so when she found this she thought she would ask me.
Best to make sure I am giving the right info....
Thanks
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I would say wrong, though I don't know what it is.
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I have a hunch that it maybe czech/bohemian spatter glass. It looks like someone was inspired by Fat Lava German pottery and created it in glass. Nice
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The technique reminds of that Murano approach of laying on thin slices of rods or murrines on the gather, which spread when marvered. The effect is a little more controlled than spatter glass, and results in more clearly defined blobs than random splashes. Think a petoni and a peton nerox by Fratelli Toso, although I'm not suggesting FT here. Having said that, I really don't have a strong suggestion for what it might be, but I wouldn't rule out Murano.
David
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:spls2: :spls2: Boy, do I Stink :tsk: at guessing this one !!!!
(Can I hide my head.....DOH)
Having suggestions of possible Czech/Bohemian or (not to rule out yet) Murano -- makes me feel silly. The thought went through my mind of Murano, but then because the Foil flakes *look* a bit darker to me, and having that *kinda* mottled effect....that is why I thought Chinese. It is very heavy!! That is why this was bothering me because IMHO, there was more wear on the bottom that I thought there should be. Then the thought crossed my mind that maybe it is older, or just older Chinese glass.....and I thought ..... I just gotta post this here for her. She only paid $10 for it -- and I have been informing her what you folks are saying, so she is really enjoying this too.
So I guess the Jury is out on this yet......and I will just go bury my head. On a Positive note, at least the wear on the bottom was bothering me too -- so I figured I best post for her.
Here are some (bigger) pics -- I think to see if it helps anymore.... :pb:
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At first glance, I'd say Chinese.
I see a lot of the Chinese vases at local auction houses, even those have some wear to the base and they're brand new.
Nice looking piece though, don't think she could go wrong at $10! :-)
Dan
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Hi does the glas have a fatty or greasy feel ?? most cheap chinese glass has this feel to it .
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The foil looks to be gold leaf. I think you can rule out Bohemian spatter glass, that is quite different. It might be Czech but I think that's unlikely. It looks too well put together to be Chinese and I don't mean the quality necessarily, just the overall appearance.
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The foil looks to be gold leaf. I think you can rule out Bohemian spatter glass, that is quite different. It might be Czech but I think that's unlikely. It looks too well put together to be Chinese and I don't mean the quality necessarily, just the overall appearance.
Hi there:
Still wondering about this and thinking maybe *older* (1960's) Japanese (rather than Chinese) as a Possibly??
The reason why I am saying and thinking this is because this item * HERE (http://www.rubylane.com/item/545225-RL-104/Red-Gold-Foil-Japanese-Art) reminds me of it. That one in the link is an Older Japanese one with a KAWA Import label, that says it is from the 1960's. So just tossing this out there ?????
Could that be the identify of my red vase here too? ?? (http://serve.mysmiley.net/sign/sign0163.gif)
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There is a mid-range wot-not shop I pop into on my trawls from time to time. They have modern Chinese glass and they are getting better all the time.
Shape similar to the one above. But content of glass not the same. But this could just be the choice of the retailer.
The 'gold' in the ones I see is like gold dust or as it's pinker, copper dust.
I think the vase here has, as Lustrousstone has suggested, has gold-leaf. But would that work technically? I would have thought that gold had a much lower melting point than glass. What I mean is I always guessed that they put gold leaf into the mix at some point after the mixing and then as the glass shape is formed, the leaf breaks down into tiny grains? (expert opine please)
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I would say Chinese myself. the glass appears thick and clumsy, with an irregularity to the shape of the neck. To me this indicates fast, high volume production which would lean me to Chinese glass. In most of the pictures the mouth and neck do not appear really symmetrical..... A fairly Chinese trait IMHO.
Craig
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Gold leaf is applied to the surface of a formed item; sometimes it's a fully formed item and sometimes it's cased/covered in more glass. The heat causes the gold leaf to fragment.
Copper is not applied as pure metal. It's mixed with molten glass, which is then cooled and broken into chips or powder (aventurine), which is then applied to the hot glass item.
A fairly Chinese trait IMHO.
Or a studio trait. I know this is not Chinese, but it has the characteristics you describe
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=900
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Gold leaf ... The heat causes the gold leaf to fragment.
It is the blowing that fragments the gold leaf.
This piece could be from anywhere and factory more likely than studio as base has had a lot of grinding and polishing. So not cheap production, add American mid-range department store stuff to the list. Technique is old but used increasingly from 1920s on.
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I too have No idea.
I can see what you mean when you say it kinda has that Czech look to it -- the colors, and the way they are done. The foil, well I do not know enough about that. It *does appear to be well made, and has some really good weight to it. As you can see, there is wear to it.
The top opening is not wavy, I just took the pic crooked.
Hmmmmm....this might be a long one to figure out (http://serve.mysmiley.net/sign/sign0167.gif)
Just have to keep a look out as we travel the Net for something kinda the same, or a lead in some direction...
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Still wondering about this and thinking maybe *older* (1960's) Japanese (rather than Chinese) as a Possibly??
The reason why I am saying and thinking this is because this item * HERE (http://www.rubylane.com/item/545225-RL-104/Red-Gold-Foil-Japanese-Art) reminds me of it. That one in the link is an Older Japanese one with a KAWA Import label, that says it is from the 1960's. So just tossing this out there ?????
Could that be the identify of my red vase here too? ?? (http://serve.mysmiley.net/sign/sign0163.gif)
You read my mind, Rose. The first thing that went through my mind was maybe it was Japanese... or that it was Chinese made to look like Japanese. The wear on bottom makes me favor Japanese, perhaps from Lefton or Kamei. I looked around and found some similar shapes, but nothing exact. I would add Japanese as a strong contender for the attribution.
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You read my mind, Rose. The first thing that went through my mind was maybe it was Japanese... or that it was Chinese made to look like Japanese. The wear on bottom makes me favor Japanese, perhaps from Lefton or Kamei. I looked around and found some similar shapes, but nothing exact. I would add Japanese as a strong contender for the attribution.
Thanks TxSilver :kissy:
Been looking around the Net, and I wonder IF this could have some direct relationship to this one. Take a Peek at it:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-10-5-Japanese-Osaka-Art-Glass-Vase-Aventurine-/370490901884 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-10-5-Japanese-Osaka-Art-Glass-Vase-Aventurine-/370490901884)
Says vintage 1970's (and then also says 1950's ?? in the write-up) from the area of Osaka of Japan, and made in the similar style of Murano.
So might we be getting any closer ?? :huh2: I thinking I am kinda feeling we may be --- and that it is still old, and well made. :X:
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I think you are in the right ballpark, Rose, though I don't know for sure. I think that Kamei is also in Osaka. So you may be in the right ballpark and even near the right base -- Osaka. Still just a guess, but I think a good one.
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I think you are in the right ballpark, Rose, though I don't know for sure. I think that Kamei is also in Osaka. So you may be in the right ballpark and even near the right base -- Osaka. Still just a guess, but I think a good one.
Thanks -- as I am kinda feeling that way too.
Just not sure *which* base I am on right now...... (http://serve.mysmiley.net/sign/sign0176.gif) Been driving me :ho:
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It is the blowing that fragments the gold leaf.
Not in or on paperweights, blowing will cause it to fragment more though.
Gold inside
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=442
Gold outside
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1021
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2013 Reply to old Thread......
Since just talking about Kamei Glass on another post, when you look at Wayne's pin Board *CLICK HERE (http://www.pinterest.com/20thcglass/kamei-glass/) and there is a Glass Vase in a Boxed set ((( courtesy of "pedscor2816"))) -- that looks the same shape as my RED vase posted here.
So I am now leaning even more to my Vase being KAMEI here, also. So may have an ID for this some years later from date posted!
;)
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I would say Chinese myself. the glass appears thick and clumsy, with an irregularity to the shape of the neck. To me this indicates fast, high volume production which would lean me to Chinese glass. In most of the pictures the mouth and neck do not appear really symmetrical..... A fairly Chinese trait IMHO.
Craig
Have to agree with Craig on this. I would favour Chinese on this and not Japanese. The shape and the neck of the rim look clumsy. I would expect with a Japanese piece more uniformity. Just my opinion.
I would rule out Kamei as usually there pieces have some uniformity to it and they did have quite a few master blowers working at the company.
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?? ?? ??
Wondering IF this vase might be KAMEI Glass? I found this Link below and it kinda reminded me of my red vase. That piece in the link is in a Kamei Art Glass Box
If I would guess -- I would say My Red vase is Kamei Glass (IMHO )
~ CLICK HERE ~ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kamei-Glass-Osaka-Number-D-701-with-original-box-/230556864869) :-\
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Update.....I am now leaning more towards (Kamai) Japanese OSAKA glass on this vase, IMHO...........but that is my opinion
Some sticker items
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-10-5-Japanese-Osaka-Art-Glass-Vase-Aventurine-/370490901884
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kamei-Glass-Osaka-Number-D-701-with-original-box-/230556864869
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That certainly looks a possibility Rose