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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: orangeglass on August 29, 2014, 01:41:18 PM
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Hi all,
I have this vase which I thought was Monart but now am having second thoughts so all comments are appreciated!
It fits with the OE shape and size VII, the base (diameter 3.75") has a large button pontil scar almost 1.5" in diameter which has been ground , almost flat to the base at one side. There is an outer rim (0.75" wide) which has also been ground.
The colours could be Monart but are also typical of the Czech ones which are confused with Monart - green base to blue at the top with gold aventurine, some black specks and bubbles in the glass. Clear cased but the glass isn't very thick which some of the Czech stuff can be, it is about the same as my other Monart of similar size. No uranium content.
Many thanks,
Roberta
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base looks good but wouldn't like to say :P
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I thought the base was okay too but lets wait to see what the others say ;D
Roberta
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I don't see why your worried about this OE shape vase Roberta.
Nigel
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Thanks Nigel - It was just with my other vase being wrong I suddenly remembered about the Czech ones in the same colourway of this vase - I have no idea what the bases are like on those - and panicked a bit ! Still a lot to learn :D
Roberta
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mmmmmmm still not too sure , I know the base looks good but something still niggling me about the colourway :-\
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Remember what Frank said in the other post - the same colours were used by lots of makers!
Here is a pic of it next to a similar colour:
all the czech ones I have seen (but I haven't handled any in these colours) have been much thicker, heavier glass.
Roberta
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It is Monart, no doubt to me.
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seen the same colour on ysart glass under non ysart glass, maybe just the lack of the red in it but dunno still not 100% :P
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Well if both Frank and Nigel and happy with it then that's enough for me ;D
thanks,
Roberta
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::)
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Definitely Monart, though I have not seen that particular colourway ie just green and blue.
Below is an image(not Ysart glass) of the type of colourway that Gary possibly means.
seen the same colour on ysart glass under non ysart glass, maybe just the lack of the red in it but dunno still not 100% :P
Gary
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May I suggest that the green in the bowl that Gary illustrates has white/opaque quality that is different from the greens of Monart ?? Certainly that is something that I have always associated with these 'Czech' pieces with this colour way.
Nigel
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yup Gary that was what I was meaning lol, as I said base looks great on the vase and colourway just look weird minus the red that monart usually has with this colourway unless I cant see it on her bucket vase
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Probably not adding anything as I know so little about Ysart/Monart but I just wanted to say I can see exactly what Nigel means.
To my eye, as well as the colour looking quite opaque as Nigel mentions, the way the colour is laid on in the Non-Ysart bowl Gary showed appears to be completely different to the effect of the colours in Orange's vase. The bowl looks to have specific blobs of colour that are not cloudy, fluffy or smudgy round the edges. To me it's as if the colour in the vase has been laid on using powders but the colour in the bowl has been laid on by picking up little hard pieces of glass.
That fluffy cloudy effect is similar to what I see in my French 20's glass, never in little blobs :)
m
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Definitely no pinky/ red in it as there is in the vase pictured next to it - I think there is a colour description of the green/blue/ gold aventurine on Ysartglass but no picture.
The way the colour is laid on is exactly like my other Monarts but the colours seem to be stronger or more dense if that makes sense! When under lighting it is still quite intense - not quite as translucent as a some of my others look when lit, but it definitely does not have the white / opaqueness that Nigel described seen on the Czech pieces - I understand what you mean there Nigel!
Thank you all for your input,
Roberta
P.S. I have uploaded my pictures now if anyone would like a look - hope this link works!
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/index.php?cat=15361