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Title: Symbol on ashtray
Post by: Ivo on March 31, 2016, 07:26:16 AM

This symbol found on a Leerdam ashtray. What does it mean?

Title: Re: Symbol on ashtray
Post by: chopin-liszt on March 31, 2016, 08:45:24 AM

Don't put your cigarettes out under the table?  ;)
(sorry, being silly.)

Title: Re: Symbol on ashtray
Post by: Paul S. on March 31, 2016, 01:58:50 PM

I suspect that if you don't know then there's little chance of us having the answer  ;)............     can't see this on either your own handiwork from the 'abel/leermark' site from few years back, or on the Great Glass location.

Assume there is a paper label or whatever, from which you know this is a Leerdam ashtray?           What in  your opinion is the age of this piece Ivo?

the only silly saying I know is.........    'don't smoke in bed or the ashes on the floor may be your own' ;D

Title: Re: Symbol on ashtray
Post by: Ivo on March 31, 2016, 02:04:32 PM

It is a sandblasted decoration on a Copier ashtray first produced  1922 and the owner would like to know for whom it was made - are these runes? Ksi Chi? Company logo? I was thinking, you might have seen it somewhere...

Title: Re: Symbol on ashtray
Post by: Paul S. on March 31, 2016, 05:44:29 PM

who knows?  -  somehow I think that runic alphabets and latin into greek or vice versa is perhaps reading a bit too much into this symbol  -  looking at related acid etched marks for a similar time period for Leerdam - shown in your 'nl/abel/leerdam' notes - I'm not getting the impression those were created using cryptic borrowings from other alphabets...............    just my opinion of course.

My knowledge of Leerdam symbols and marks is virtually non-existent, but surprised to hear that a symbol on a piece from such a well-known and documented output should remain a mystery, still.
But hey, if it wasn't a mystery, you'd have nothing to worry your mind with ;) ;D           you know we'd love to help you if we could :-*

Title: Re: Symbol on ashtray
Post by: Ivo on March 31, 2016, 07:49:05 PM

It is not a factory mark ...

Title: Re: Symbol on ashtray
Post by: sayitslowly on April 01, 2016, 03:00:19 PM

I don't know if this is any help but it does resemble the hourglass part of the logo for Longines I think.

Title: Re: Symbol on ashtray
Post by: Ivo on April 02, 2016, 06:27:55 AM

Genius, sheer genius. Makes perfect sense, thank you.

Title: Re: Symbol on ashtray
Post by: Anne on April 02, 2016, 02:16:17 PM

Does the Longines mark have the cross bar through its centre though?

Title: Re: Symbol on ashtray
Post by: sayitslowly on April 03, 2016, 11:53:14 PM

I sure don't know but I did find a few examples that seem to show a line in the center such as this one.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Longines_logo.svg

Title: Re: Symbol on ashtray
Post by: Ivo on April 04, 2016, 06:50:09 AM

If it is accurately identical or not is not so important; main thing is the realisation that it is a stylised hourglass so we now suspect it has something to do with funerals. Ashtray would be appropriate, don't you thnk...

Title: Re: Symbol on ashtray
Post by: Paul S. on April 04, 2016, 03:20:57 PM

you could be right about a connection with the undertakers trade, Ivo - but also reflect on the quantity and diversity of ashtrays made for the licensed victuallers/brewery/pub trade - traditionally, drinkers have often been great smokers too..................    mind you, those folk almost always ended up with the undertakers.
Don't know that I'm that convinced the symbol/logo does represent a stylised hour glass - but again you could be correct.

Title: Re: Symbol on ashtray
Post by: David E on April 04, 2016, 03:40:00 PM

Quote from: Ivo on April 04, 2016, 06:50:09 AM

suspect it has something to do with funerals. Ashtray would be appropriate, don't you thnk...

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust...