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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: keith on November 12, 2020, 06:41:56 PM
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Sold as late Victorian ( a gift from my brother ) hollow stem with ground down foot rim, the etching is very white and the glass is thin despite a nice ring, has anyone seen something similar ?
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The etching looks like rather sophisticated ptero(some missing letters) - fern stuff.
The extra bits with lily pads and roots make it just a bit special. ;D
Is this style of etching not normally considered to be Scottish? I don't know if it happened as a cottage industry, but some of the shabbier stuff around certainly suggests it.
Edited to add:
But now I'm thinking it looks a lot more like wisteria than ferns!
More editing, after more peering:-
Strange foot grinding. Might it have been a folded foot somebody thought was odd and ground down?
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It is Wisteria, I wondered that about the foot ;D ;D
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Nice looking glass.
In Miller’s collecting glass, there is an example of a similar elegant engraved goblet with spreading foot. It says “the spreading foot is distinctive of drinking glasses of the 1870s”. It says they were parts of a set, often given as wedding gifts.
I too wondered if yours originally had a folded foot, the foot looks very thin. I have a victorian engraved goblet with a similar simple clean form and thin glass but finely engraved with ferns (very much better than the usual engraving quality). My goblet has a similar spreading foot, but the foot rim is folded.
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It doesn't have the feel, weight or colour of an old piece, can't see any tool marks on the bowl or foot ??? ??? puzzled now ::) ;D
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Looks Victorian to me. Is that a small bump on the rim?, the remains of a shear mark.
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Think that's the light, no shear marks, very uniform ??? ;D
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Here’s my goblet, bit more stumpy than I remembered. Feels very light for its size, just over 5 inches tall, but there isn’t much weight in the hollow stem and foot. When flicked it has a sustained bong rather than a ping, you can feel the bowl vibrating. I recon 1870s due to the spreading foot, nearer the 1880 end due to the ferns.
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Is the etching on yours very white, I heard that this was a sign of more modern pieces ?
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I wouldn’t have said so, it looks white in the top photo but only due to the light catching it. I heard something similar about the colour of engraving but only on a Bargain Hunt type programme. Can’t quite remember but think the context in that case was when trying to determine if engraving on a genuine Georgian glass was done at the time or added later.
When talking about etching, I might have misunderstood, I would say my glass has been wheel engraved, rather than etched?
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Think mine is engraved also ::) ;D ;D
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That’s good then. ;)
I can see no reason why your glass and mine are not victorian. I don’t suppose it would ever be possible to know the maker...but I did think Powell was a possibility.
It doesn't have the feel, weight or colour of an old piece
In the Lesley Jackson Whitefriars book (page 28) there is a quote from Joseph Leicester from about 1878 saying about Whitefriars glass “Light as Venetian, pure as the diamond”.
In the book it says “The Paris Universal Exhibition of 1878 marked a turning point, after which date the new simplified Venetian-inspired glass made by Whitefriars would increasingly gain favour at the expense of Salviati”. I thought our glasses might be described as ‘Venetian-inspired’. ;D
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Venetian inspired will do me ! ;D ;D ;D
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There is a similar type goblet in the British Museum with acid etched decoration by John Northwood, they have a suggested attribution of Stevens and Williams for the glass itself, c1870:
https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/H_2009-8049-7
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Could we move this to the Glass section until we know for sure it's British or Irish Glass please?
I mean it could be French maybe? for example. It's most likely not, but still. I think if there is no id it should remain in the Glass section just in case :)