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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: LEGSY on January 24, 2023, 04:00:03 PM
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Found the decoration won me over to pay the price tag today at a local center i loved
the detail on the ducks there are three but the main one is the largest and most detaileld.
The scene shows them flying over pond fauna all nicely gilded with a Herringbone pattern
to the rim sadly a bit of wear on rim but mostly fine on the body. The feet have sharp thorns
and have been gilded also. The outside i think is a slightly yellowy white and the inner is rosy
pink which gradually reduces as it goes down to base this may be reason for outer looking
slightly yellowish but it seems a bit yellow and is UV reactive. Would love to know who made it
have a feeling maybe Webb possibly 7" in height and quite heavy really. tHANKS
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It's not Burmese of any sort. That is not cased glass. It's heat reactive and shades from yellow/cream to pink bottom to top. I think the rim is ground and polished, which makes Bohemian more likely than English IMO. If not, it could be English and perhaps Webb (but which one?). I think I favour Bohemain and Harrach or perhaps Loetz, as it reminds me of this, which I'm told could be either http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1507 (though I haven't put that on my web site).
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The duck and clouds and moon are similar to these Mount Washington pieces:
https://www.cmog.org/artwork/burmese-vase-ducks
Same decoration as cmog above but a better photo:
https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/mt-washington-guba-ducks-decorated-burmese-double-c-3BE4396B49
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Clouds are clouds and mallards are mallards. A piece of Mount Washington would be unusual in the UK
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Really appreciate your comments and information very confused with this piece of glass i have gone through Loetz but there
feet do not seem quite correct the decoration does seem similar to the Mt Washington but think it is a better quality i will try
and take a few of the ducks in light tomorrow . The rim has not been chamfered on edges but i think it has had something
done on the top? hard to see as it has gilding and casing inside which makes it hard to see. Quite a heavy piece of glass really.
I have noticed a piece of Thomas Webb that was sold at fieldings auctions and it has a rim gilding in the same herringbone pattern?
Hopefully a few more will come in over the coming days and see it too thank you
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Could it possibly be French? This one has clouds and mallards, and the irises seem to be a common French motif. Yours is much finer and possibly earlier.
https://madforglass.com/index.php/french-belgian-83
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Clouds are clouds and mallards are mallards.
To me the ducks and clouds on the Mt Washington glass and Legsy’s glass are more similar to each other than most depictions of ducks and clouds, I think it’s the way the moon is shown :) No, they are not identical, but maybe there is a connection.
This “Royal Flemish style” vase with ducks (no clouds)
https://www.cmog.org/artwork/royal-flemish-type-vase is an “imitation of Mt. Washington” by the Harrach glassworks, 1880-1900, ref From Neuwelt to the Whole World page 37.
Maybe Leggsy’s vase could be Mt Washington (nothing is impossible) or possibly an imitation by Harrach…or other. If it was mine I would be interested if it was an imitation of Mt Washington, even if the actual maker remained unknown.
It’ll be interesting to see the other side, and maybe a closeup of the duck so you can see the enamelling.
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Some clearer photos of another of Nev’s French vases: https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/126241252_french-glass-vase
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here are some more pictures bare in mind my cam is
a very cheap one that cost me £5 but hopefully you can see the enamel
and gilding on top of that in places been quite nicely done i think.
I noticed on Loetz.com that loetz used to send the feet that they
made for there bowls to other companies including S&W.. this
can make attribution awkward at times.
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The ducks were known as GUBA ducks when they were mentioned on vases
made by Mt Washington in USA i do agree that they look very much in the
spirit of there work and i suppose you can always have some paintress that
are better than others i would have thought but still not 100% sure .
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Thanks for adding the extra clear photographs. The decoration looks quite fine and flat, more like a transfer but with some enamel highlights maybe? The gold on the Mt Washington and Harrach examples looks less fine, more raised and applied by hand to me. It’s hard to see the detail in the enamel ducks on the Harrach and Mt Washington examples.
Interesting about the Loetz feet😁
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here are some more pictures bare in mind my cam is
a very cheap one that cost me £5 but hopefully you can see the enamel
and gilding on top of that in places been quite nicely done i think.
I noticed on Loetz.com that loetz used to send the feet that they
made for there bowls to other companies including S&W.. this
can make attribution awkward at times.
Could you add a link to the page on Loetz.com where it gives this information about the feet please? Bemused.
m
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If it's a transfer you will be able to see dots from the screen printing under a loupe, but I suspect these are all hand painted. Some enamel work is very fine and flat, as is some gold work. Gold is only raised when applied over a base enamel.
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Could you add a link to the page on Loetz.com where it gives this information about the feet please? Bemused.
m
Sorry for my late reply i am a total tech anorak so i am going to give you a very old style way of finding it :)
Type in google "early loetz glass" And when the list comes up there should be one for "loetz.com" called "An attempt to identify early loetz production from 1880-1897 click this and shortly it will open that long list of early loetz pieces if you scroll down to "63.01" this is where the information about that is located and pictures
of loetz feet hope that makes some sense i am going to have to learn how to do stuff online lol
Also the decoration on the vase is hand done not transfer.
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That is not what it says at all, you have completely misrepresented it.
John
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I don’t think the sentence is well written, I can see how it could be read that it was just the feet made by Loetz. It is actually saying whole objects with that type of foot may have been made for the British market by Loetz, but have been miss attributed as Stevens and Williams.
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I still think it’s at least in part decorated by transfer. You wouldn’t see dots from screen printing if they used engraved copper plates to create the transfer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_printing
The hatching to create shade on the leaves looks like an engraving technique, and all the lines are very fine and precise. The ducks around the back look the size of a thumb nail, and did they really do that rim by hand? Anyway, might be wrong :)
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I think that you maybe quite correct with the rim certainly, It has a real ridged feel when running a finger nail over it and with my
eye glass its prob not good enough to see well enough but possibly some means of printing has been employed. If you mean the straight fern
type plants yes i see what you mean it possibly is to straight & crisp maybe its been high lighted to give movement and realness not to deceive.
Main duck and large detailed flowers i think maybe hand done altogether again not 100% little beggar this piece. :) Thanks for the comments :)
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link here
http://loetz.com/identifying-loetz-glass/early-loetz
The sentence in the link at item 63.01 is describing items with tree trunk like tooled feet. It reads that some items that are attributed to Harrach and some items that are attributed to Stevens and Williams may be wrongly attributed and quote 'some of which actually may have been made by Loetz for the British market'.
It's referring to the whole item, not just the feet.
Interested to find out who might have made this piece because the neck collar design detail and the pink interior remind me of the pink lobed Fishscale vases (if anyone remembers those?).
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Thanks for doing the link to the Loetz.com site :) Those fish scale made me think of Moser fish design vases which have a similar
reed design as this but with fish instead of mallards although i realize not the one you mentioned sadly i can't remember the ones you mentioned
sorry :( thanks
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Dr Fischer auctions has a Harrach vase,1880-1890, with a similar gilt rim design here:
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/45884305_vase-mit-reiher
The decoration of the rim of your vase looks more flat and precise though.