Thanks for all the excellent info on hineri id bet its made by them or someone very close, Amases me just how fast some people can navigate the web and find snippets of really usefull information on so many differing subjects thanks for all your time. I didnt like the vase out of the box but after a nice soapy wash and a spot light behind it im quite taken with it. so it might stay for a while!! Im trying to amass a collection cheaply this was my most expensive peice by a long shot so far, im getting pieces from all over the place but i guess thats the way it goes you dont just go out and find pieces by daum,tiffany, in charity shops that know one wants anymore, but i guess thats the fun in this hobby you just never know whats going too turn up..good hunting all