Topic: Mid 19th century opaline vase with ruffled rim & blue pineapple knop?

[flying free]

You're welcome.

I'm a bit curious though that some of the comments might be 'politically' inspired perhaps?
I mean if someone from Boston (or any glassmaker) wanted to copy French glass, surely they could have bought the items in the States.  That said, perhaps the whole range wasn't easily obtainable or available there and so the opportunity to buy up the range direct from source was too good to miss maybe?

Either way , it's an interesting report direct from the horse's mouth at the time.

[thewingedsphinx]

And that’s why the Brits used the registered design lozenge to curb copying around this time. I’m not sure if the French or Americans ever used a similar idea. Apart from trademarks or names?

[flying free]

They did register patents but I don't know about designs.

Baccarat was marked from ? maybe late 19th?
Saint-Louis is marked as well.

I remember a thread on here years ago where Bernard commented on it.  The fact that glass factories didn't mark their items and how astonishing it was that someone would produce some fabulous art glass vase and it would then go out without makers mark on. By comparison to pottery/china and silver it is actually quite shocking.

[flying free]

also I think from reading the reports,that it seems unlikely there would have been much American glass over here in the UK in that late 19th century period.
The report seems to ask how they can increase their exports to the various countries and the answer seems to be ... produce the products people want in that country,  produce them on time, ship them on time and with packing rates that are comparable to competitors in Europe and have sales people over in the countries to sell the items. 
The few I've read don't seem to indicate there are any insurmountable trade barriers in comparison to other countries so trade agreements/import tax doesn't seem to be the problem.  It does appear that they were trying to find a way of increasing their trade with European countries.

Therefore, along with the design indicators, I'd say the opaline vases in this thread are more likely to be French than American?

[thewingedsphinx]

Just like buses, guess what I found at a fair at the weekend.
Left is the new sawtooth version ( possibly Boston Sandwich) along with the previous discussed French ( Baccarat or St Louis) one on right. They both have a hole big enough for a pencil to fit in from the top part down into the Knop. The foot on the right hand side is flat while the left hand one sit on a rim with a raised foot. R/h one also seems a little thinner glass and I think a bit more refined than the left one. I was very surprised to find it. Regards Mike

[flying free]

  A couple of examples of very French Sandwich glass in the 'oval" hobnail pattern.
https://jeffreysevans.com/auction/assorted-pressed-sandwich-glass-articles-lot-of-four/
The puff box matches almost perfectly the the sugar no 43  illustrated in m's first link of pressglas-korrespondenz provided earlier in this thread. The difference according to Barlow/Kaisers sandwich guide is that the American version has a rough pontil mark inside the lid under the stem and the French version does not. They also say the French version is lighter in weight. The blue under plate in the link has 16 points and the French illustrated in pressglas-korrespondenz 14 points.
https://jeffreysevans.com/auction/blown-molded-oval-hobnail-cologne-bottle-11/

Nice to see both vases together to compare Wingedsphinx - thank you for posting. Mulling it over.  There were two pieces in Pressglas Korrespondenz, one here (seite 7 here) which showed a Saint-Louis vase with a pointed knop body,
https://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2007-2w-sg-louis-dose-ananas.pdf
and the other a link I provided on a previous post in this thread which showed a yellow perfume bottle with a wavy rim.
Of course neither of those characteristics are determinative on their own.  However, perhaps it shows Saint-Louis produced molds with those characteristics?

The other thing I found interesting relating to the post I've quoted here, is that I have two mid 19th (?) sugar boxes/melon boxes which I think are Bohemian.  They are exceptionally well made and neither has a pontil mark or a rough pontil mark on the inside of the lid where the stalk of the melon is applied to the lid.  Inside the lid is just a smooth slight dent at the point the stalk is applied.