Topic: A traforato type - trellis bowl green iridescent - Ercole Barovier?

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That pontil is typically Italian  and used by the companies you mentioned .

Thanks JP, that was new to me.
I recently posted >> this nice Zanfirico vase, which seems to have a similar pontil mark to several of the pieces in this thread (especially the Barovier "Iridato" vase).

Michael

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http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attraction_Review-g187870-d240695-Reviews-Barovier_Toso-Venice_Veneto.html
I found this piece - a photograph from the Barovier & Toso museum
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 a description of the piece above in case the link disappears
It is a lantern shaped bird cage with a yellow bird inside it. The cage is the same lattice as the pink basket with fruit and appears to be the same pink with gold or very similar.  The cage has a glass ring for hanging at the top.
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Nope - according to Barovier e Toso it's not past production from their company.
Back to the drawing board.
Is it likely to be Italian given the pontil mark?
As certain as I can be lol,  having had a good look at the actual glass and the wear on the base, that it isn't new production.

Any more thoughts or leads much appreciated.
Many thanks 
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Adding some more pictures of the base to show the glass.
The base/bottom of the bowl  reminds me of a bullseye window. 
Right in the middle of the pontil mark the glass is smooth and forms a small nipple.
The picture of the wear is just of one small part as it's so difficult to photograph, but the wear is completely matt - not new stuff.
The bowl rings but it's not overtly heavy and I don't think it's lead?
thanks for looking and any comments
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Does anyone know if C.V.M. used this pontil mark please?  Also if they used this colour glass ?
I've found a couple of pieces using the basket lattice technique one by C.V.M. the other listed as possibly C.V.M.

The second is a completely different shape and colour but also has the very subtle iridescence -
http://www.archiviodellacomunicazione.it/Sicap/opac.aspx?WEB=MuseiVE&LNG=ENG

The first has the lattice applied over a central solid bowl. 
http://www.archiviodellacomunicazione.it/Sicap/opac.aspx?WEB=MuseiVE&LNG=ENG

For interest this is a piece of Salviati using a similar technique.
http://www.archiviodellacomunicazione.it/Sicap/opac.aspx?WEB=MuseiVE&LNG=ENG


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aargh - my links never work properly
Can I try this one for the top link (you may need to hold control button down whilst pressing the minus symbol to reduce the size as they are fabulously huge photos showing all close up detail -
http://www.archiviodellacomunicazione.it/Sicap/ShowDialog.aspx?TITLE=VIEWERTITLE&TBL=OA&ID=322453&Ext=JPG&Folder=&MODE=VIEW&OPAC=DEFAULT&WEB=MuseiVE

This for the next one
http://www.archiviodellacomunicazione.it/Sicap/ShowDialog.aspx?TITLE=VIEWERTITLE&TBL=OA&ID=322219&Ext=jpg&Folder=&MODE=VIEW&OPAC=DEFAULT&WEB=MuseiVE

This one a completely different design but using the similar lattice
http://www.archiviodellacomunicazione.it/Sicap/ShowDialog.aspx?TITLE=VIEWERTITLE&TBL=OA&ID=322337&Ext=JPG&Folder=&MODE=VIEW&OPAC=DEFAULT&WEB=MuseiVE

Cannot refind the one from Salviati at the moment.

I am confused about C.V.M. and I don't know whether they were a maker or whether they were a maker and also had pieces made for them by other companies.
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http://catalog.quittenbaum.de/object_detail_Vier_Vasen_soffiati_1920er_Jahre_Pauly_C_C_V_M_Murano3B_Cappellin_C_M_V_M_Murano3B_Murano__63919__list_objects__M_104B__0__eng

http://www.1stdibs.com/furniture/dining-entertaining/bowls/cvm-soffiato-pagliesco-charger/id-f_741369/
These are examples of the bases I've managed to find.  They appear to be similar to mine in that they seem to have the multi blobs (more than 5)  difficult to tell though on both.   First is part of a selling set of 4 and I'm afraid I can't work out whether or not they are all attributed, or just one is, and even to who although C.V.M. is mentioned    

Second is also id'd as C.V.M.


so possibly on the right track with Italian anyway.
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This is from the Steuben site shape 644
in green
to show an example for future reference for anyone searching
http://www.cardersteubenclub.org/shapes/item-view.cfm?RecordID=24164&back=1

If you click on the other designs individually, it should show other colours

other links
http://www.cardersteubenclub.org/shapes/item-view.cfm?category=Shape%20Index&recordID=26038&back=1
http://www.cardersteubenclub.org/shapes/item-view.cfm?category=Shape%20Index&recordID=18058&back=1
http://www.cardersteubenclub.org/shapes/item-view.cfm?category=Shape%20Index&recordID=20510&back=1

I know there are more versions but I can't find them at the moment
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Steuben no. 644 and no. 7177 featured in this sale
http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/14808/lot/1055/

An odd shape Steuben found under pattern number 2896
http://www.cardersteubenclub.com/shapes/item-view.cfm?RecordID=24463&back=1
and a variety here
http://www.cardersteubenclub.com/shapes/results-view.cfm?keyword=1&category=Shape%20Index
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