Topic: Can anyone help me date this glass please

[brucebanner]

Hello there can anyone shed any light on my favourite beer glass, there are also two other things i'm going to post that have puzzled me for a while which i'm going to list separately this evening, regards Chris.

[oldglassman]

Hi ,
            You don't give a size but I reckon you have a Rummer with a double ogee bowl and a blade knop to the stem , which all adds up to the first 1/2 of the 19th c , probably c 1820 to 1840 .

cheers ,
              Peter.

[Paul S.]

all I can say is that your beer drinking looks to be a little meagre                Am sure that Peter is spot on with his assessment  -  I think also that a lot of us tend to view small diameter feet as later productions, which I'm assuming applies to rummers as well as wines.

You obviously need Tim Mills' book on rummers  -  worth every penny (even without an index)  -  it includes information on this innovative shape, which we're told started life c. 1810, although the majority of examples in the book are ovoids and buckets.           I'm not remotely up on rummers, but get the impression that this double ogee shape isn't that common.
Another very useful rule of thumb from the book is that the presence of a central knop in the stem is almost certainly an indication of C19 manufacture.
I'll take a guesss that your glass is about 5 inches tall.

P.S.     for beer, good old Victorian pint glasses - with wheel engraved decoration and some slice cutting, work a treat.

[brucebanner]

Thanks for that did not realise it was so old the height is 4 1/2 inches, it's 3 inches across the rim and 2 1/2 inches across the base, regards Chris.

[brucebanner]

Had to show you this Paul going to have a pint of real ale out of it tonight, test your theory out.

[Paul S.]

very nice  -  appears the wheel engraving says...........'J. Hadfield  born 1839'  ............. but not entirely sure.           I'd suggest given to him/her some time later, possibly around 1860 - 70, although can't be certain, but the ferny decoration could be about that date  -  I'd assume that a pint beer glass wouldn't be given as a Christening present, but who knows..........
Does this ring well when flicked  -  and is there a rather large pontil depression?

Hope you enjoy the beer  -  I know some of the Board's drinkers are convinced it tastes better from an old glass.

[oldglassman]

Hi,
           "I know some of the Board's drinkers are convinced it tastes better from an old glass."

  It certainly does  , and the older the better 

  Cheers and and happy New Year to all ,

          Peter.

[brucebanner]

Yes it sounds lovely and has a deep pontil and the seeds in the glass and the right colour. I think i'm getting the hang of it now, i picked that book up by Raymond Slack, what a good bloke listing all those pieces of glass, its help me id 6 things so far, thanks for your help.

[Paul S.]

Slack's book is for pressed glass only (and one of the best), but I don't recall seeing any heavy balusters from c. 1700-10 in there

You might also like to try Geoffrey Wills'  "English & Irish Glass"  -  good mixture of all types of glass - mostly C18 and C18 material  -  and don't forget Tim Mills' recent book on 'Rummer's  -  one of the few 'readable' books that you'll see.