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Author Topic: Enamelled glass Wager Cup  (Read 2292 times)

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Offline chopin-liszt

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Re: Enamelled glass Wager Cup
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2022, 05:38:51 PM »
I just had to look up how it was used.  ;D
The drinker was supposed to sup from the big skirt, without spilling a drip of the measure in the small cup.
I don't know if the whole thing is creepy, or just the gilt metal bits.  :-\
The glass bits are lovely, on their own.
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Re: Enamelled glass Wager Cup
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2022, 05:45:56 PM »
What were you in two minds about?
I'm lost  ???

I don't know if this is the correct description of what a wager cup was used for but this was on a silver site about the silver ones:
https://www.acsilver.co.uk/acsnews/2014/05/01/silver-wager-cup/

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Re: Enamelled glass Wager Cup
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2022, 05:47:59 PM »
https://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O156622/wager-cup-unknown/

I believe the husband drank from the larger skirt and the wife from the smaller cup.


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Re: Enamelled glass Wager Cup
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2022, 01:44:51 PM »
Yes and with such a small example using it is going to be tricky and definitely intimate. Two minds as I was not sure whether I was requesting information or intending the post to be a show and tell.

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Re: Enamelled glass Wager Cup
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2022, 01:52:47 PM »
Seems different sources describe slightly different methods.
https://www.themost10.com/insane-drinking-games-from-around-the-world/
In the absence of a couple getting married, it could be used the single way. No reason it could not have been used in more than one way.
But two people trying to use such a tiny thing would be doomed from the start.  ;D
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Re: Enamelled glass Wager Cup
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2022, 02:21:39 PM »
oh sorry   :-[  If you'd said 'no clues' I'd have held off  :-[

It's a gorgeous thing.

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Re: Enamelled glass Wager Cup
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2022, 04:29:58 PM »
I do not think anybody, ever, wishes you to "hold off" M.  8)
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Re: Enamelled glass Wager Cup
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2022, 04:42:46 PM »
 :-*  Sue

But I know what you mean John.  I've lots of pieces I don't post because years later I'm still researching them and wouldn't want someone to give me the answer. 
Love your wager cup though.  It's sooo pretty.

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Re: Enamelled glass Wager Cup
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2024, 01:42:05 AM »
The proper name for this vessel is, in German, "Brautbecher", "Brautpaarbecher", also "Brautpokal", or betrothal beaker in English. To a lesser extent, some refer to it as a "Jungfraubecher". I must adamantly disagree with the latter, as "Jungfrau" means maiden, or unmarried woman. I agree with the term Brautpaarbecher, as this vessel is drunk from by the bride and groom simultaneously after being married - "Brautpaar" means married, or betrothed couple. The term "Wagercup" seems nonsensical to me, just like the term "beer stein", whose coining was the result of a misunderstanding.

"Jodhpur" is another pet peeve of mine, that people often get wrong. It's East Indian, not Islamic! Jodhpur is a region in India, where Prof. Franz Reuleaux, an acclaimed machine designer, made a trip to the region in the 1880's and found such designs on brass vessels (and which can be found on eBay, etc.), finding upon these designs which were engraved, then filled with colored enamel. Many cultures employed continuous, wrap around decorations (notably across Asia), that doesn't make them Islamic. Reuleaux brought these designs to Fritz Heckert, then to Josephinenhütte, who often shared designers. At the Heckert glassworks, other designers, most notably Prof. Max Rade and Martin Ehring built on those designs.

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Re: Enamelled glass Wager Cup
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2024, 02:10:08 AM »
Hello and welcome to the board :)

Thank you for supplying all the detailed information/corrections you have on Josephinenhutte and Heckert on this and other posts. 

I wonder if you can help with any further information on this little iridescent gold vase of mine please?:
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,50483.msg320331.html#msg320331

My thoughts are it was made by Josephinenhutte but I don't have definitive proof of that.  Any thoughts would be gratefully received.

Your comments on  Jodhpur are interesting.  I've a silver platter with what is often described as Persian decoration on it however I actually believe it is Indian. It's large and hand engraved and enamelled all over with animals and other designs.  So far I've not been able to pin down the region it's from but I do think it was made in India and isn't what I often see described as Persian.

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