Topic: Do you recognize this glass mark?

[neil53]

Hi, I bought these beakers which bear marks to the bases that I don't recognise.  Best wishes, Neil

[flying free]

Hi Neil

I do recall seeing the marks before and also the glasses - at least the top one and the decoration on the bottom one looks North Bohemian to me.  I'll need to go through my books a bit later on and see what I can find.

I think they are Bohemian or Austrian and 19th century but unsure whether first half or second half (the first one is very similar to regency era glasses I have definitely seen, but whether it's just in good condition or a later model I'll need to see if I can match).  The marks on the bottom might indicate later maybe  but  I really don't know.  I will need to do some reading later to check that feeling out

m

[flying free]

Knew I'd seen it before: 
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,52831.msg299943.html#msg299943

I would stick with my instinct that they are Bohemian, or La Granja as I mentioned in the linked thread, and my thoughts were Lobmeyr when I saw your top one.
The bottom one I think is Bohemian enamelling decoration (maybe North - will need to look that up).

m

[flying free]

This is a version of that decoration (top image of yours) from La Granja c.1790
http://ceres.mcu.es/pages/Main

You should be able to click on the image underneath where it says Ampliar Imagen and it will enlarge and then you can enlarge it further to see the detail.

m

[Ekimp]

Just wondering...the gold band around the rim looks very bright, uniform and shiny. It looks a bit like the type that I think are electroplated rather than something brushed on? Is it worn away at all? Perhaps it’s just in very good condition but if it’s electroplated it would be much later wouldn’t it?

The bands with the roses on the other two are hand painted enamel are they? Definitely not some sort of transfer?

[neil53]

Thank you so much for looking for the attribution.  I have a book on La Granja glass and will look in there when I return from my daughter's wedding in Italy.  I had thought Bohemian and perhaps Moser, so La Granja would surprise me, the white beakers being quite thickly blown.  Since I bought the white beakers I have seen a couple for sale on eBay and in an auction so doubt that they are Russian Imperial glasses; probably something later and less rare.  Something for me to think on while I am away.  Once more my thanks for your help to date. Neil

[flying free]

I honestly think Ivo was right and the top mark on the white glass reads Lobmeyr with the W for Wien.

I have seen the mark on the bottom ones before but I can't remember where.


I've been through the entire Spanish museum website and could not see anything that matched the top one.  Similarities in style of enamelling but that will be period related and fashion related but nothing to match.  Also yours has a cut top rim and I don't think that would fit with La Granja beakers (could be wrong but all those I looked at seemed to have a fire polished rim), and the glass on yours doesn't look like La Granja opaline as far as I could see.

[neil53]

Hi, I bumped into Andy McConnell online and shared the images.  He thinks that the logo is to imprecise to be Lobmeyr but does think that they are from the first half of the 19th century.  He suggested that they might be hausmaler i.e. blanks decorated by somebody as a home industry, but I still have a feeling that they are a production run by somebody.

[neil53]

Hi, I have been told that this mark may be MVM Cappellin.  Anybody have any comments on that attribution?  Certainly it would fit with what looks like "MM cap" on the bottom of the glasses.  I am pretty sure that the glassmarks on the bottom of both types of tumbler are by the same maker.  I didn't think that they looked Murano however.

[flying free]

Russian version here in the Hermitage Museum

https://www.hermitagemuseum.org/wps/portal/hermitage/digital-collection/08.+applied+arts/917832