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Author Topic: Cut and engraved. Late 19th c.or early 20th? English?  (Read 1239 times)

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Re: Cut and engraved. Late 19th c.or early 20th? English?
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2023, 09:26:04 PM »
Thank you for your detailed reply.  I had not realised T. G. Hawkes bought in blanks and cut and decorated them.  That's interesting.
Likewise the info that different independents were helping each other fulfil contracts to supply/decorate.  Presumably that is a minefield right there really in terms of ever finding out who made the blank (did some of Hawkes blanks come from the UK or VSL for example or were they produced in the States do you know? ) and who decorated it. 

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Re: Cut and engraved. Late 19th c.or early 20th? English?
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2023, 01:40:51 AM »
  The list of blank suppliers to Hawkes over the years reads as follows:
Corning Glass Works , C. Dorflinger & Sons, Steuben Glass Works, H.P. Sinclaire & Co, Tiffin Glass Co., Baccarat, Val St. Lambert, Union glass Co., Libbey Glass Co., Pairpoint Corp., H.C. Fry Glass Co., Heisey Glass Co., Duncan & Miller Glass Co.
It is stated in the book that between 1900 and 1905 it broke down like this :20% from Europe, 5% Union Glass Co., a few cream and sugar sets from Pairpoint, 3-4% Libbey, 3-4% Fry, 30-35% each from Corning Glass Works and Dorflinger.
  In 1912 they started their own silver mounting arm and in the late 1920s had their decorating dept. to do enameling and gilt work.
  Testimony given by Mr. Hawkes in a 1902 suit between Corning glass Works and Corning Cut Glass Co. he says he tried Baccarat, Val St. Lambert, Webb, Stevens & Williams, and F. & C.Osler of Birmingham, and found F. & C. Osler the best of these but no better than Corning Glass Works.

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Re: Cut and engraved. Late 19th c.or early 20th? English?
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2023, 08:45:32 PM »
  After looking at an awful lot of Hawkes engraving I don't think the pitcher is up to their standards. The best I can say at this point is " of the school of Hawkes" meaning the type of engraving and "probably Corning" as to place.

  The previously mentioned book list 24 home engraving shops with most of them surviving until the 1940s, some till the late 1960s. Seems the custom was for the private entities or individuals to supply their own blanks for engraving.

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Re: Cut and engraved. Late 19th c.or early 20th? English?
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2023, 12:09:08 AM »
Thank you for the extra detail and information.
It's very interesting.  From what I read, there has been much discussion and research about Bohemian glass in a similar vein - i.e. questions over who supplied the glass and who decorated it.  Some was made and then decorated in house, some was made and supplied to companies who finished it.  A lot of work and research has been done on separating the various companies out. 

It seems that would be even more complex trying to work out what came from T G Hawkes and who supplied it.

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