Topic: Bagley Leaf and Twine Mount

[Connie]

Big thanks to Dee (untamedlady2000) 

When she posted the link to the Bagley thistle jugs, i noticed some Bagley pieces in "vine and twine" mounts, like this

http://www.knottingley.org/history/bagleyglass/bagley_products16.htm


I have this "basket" which I had posted on the old board. I think someone (sorry don't remember who) said it was Zimmerman but the idea that they were made for Bagley never came up. I went back and searched for the thread and could never find it 

Here is my frame or mount

Leaf and twine mount

Detail of design

Do you know which Bagley piece this would have been made to fit?  The  diameter is 4 inches and the depth of the basket is 2 1/4 inches with overall height at 6 3/4 inches.

[Glen]

I've seen these on several shapes of both Bagley and Sowerby pieces (possibly others too). I do recall starting a thread about them just after the Charles & Camilla wedding, as I was intrigued by the way in which the "Fascinator" hats looked (to me) just like these metalwork items.

[Lustrousstone]

Many of the plainer Bagley shapes were sold in leaf and twist metalwork (and other sorts of metalwork). It seems to have been a way of livening up pre-war designs for post-war (1950s) production, as I have yet to find a uranium piece in metalwork. Whether this was how Bagley sold them or whether a wholesaler commissioned the metalwork is a subject for debate I think. Off the top of my head I can't think of a piece of Bagely to fit in a handled basket, and as the metalworkers often supplied across the glass and china trades the likelihood of identifying something to go in your basket recedes. I think the only thing we can be fairly confident about is that the basket was probably made in the UK and probably in the 1950s

[Bernard C]

... Whether this was how Bagley sold them or whether a wholesaler commissioned the metalwork is a subject for debate I think. ...

Unlikely to be either;  much more likely that Zimmerman bought the glass, added the leaf mounts, and sold the range as their own.

Connie — I can remember this query the first time around, and that several of us had seen both Bagley and Sowerby glass in these mounts.   The ultimate leaf-mounted piece was the tulip lamp (aka cabbage lamp) of which I have seen just the one, in satin green, and only matched by the Leek Andromeda lamp as a retro classic.

Bernard C. 

[Tony H]

Connie

I have a wire frame with leaf and vine it still has a original label tired to it, also a piece of Sowerby carnival glass in a frame, The firm Abrahams took over Davidson's and had a large metal works to use on there glass. Here two photos.

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4898

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4899

Tony H in NZ

[Anne]

Hi Connie, I remember that thread as I have one of these "Zimmerman" baskets, with a glass inner that cannot be pinned down to anyone.  The original thread which discussed these was this one... http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,1101.0.html and there was a later one here... http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,4420.0.html

Hope this helps.

[Quackers]

I can't add anymore to the origin of these frames but I do have this one http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4900 which I bought on ebay a couple of years ago.  I'm not convinced that the blue liner is original as it is jammed in, slightly on the 'huh 

[Bernard C]

Anne — Thanks for the old links.   By the way did you see my "A study of mounted glass by Zimmerman, Brama (and Leek) is a virgin field pregnant with possibilities."?   I thought it was my best ever one-liner, and no-one even noticed.

Bernard C.  

[Lustrousstone]

Tony's labelled frame interesting as it appears to be oak leaves not bog-standard leaf-shaped leaves - not one I've seen before.

Your wit is wasted on us Bernard 

[Anne]

We did notice, Bernard, but didn't reply just to tease you.   I don't think it'd get past the Plain English Campaign somehow.