Author Topic: First attempt to post picture of PEILL & PUTZLER (Read 7251 times)

chopin-liszt · « **on:** March 07, 2005, 06:05:26 PM »

Replaced image 8th August 2006 click for larger view

Well ,This was far more complicated than I thought it would be, and if it works, I don't know if I'll be able to do it again, 'cos I don't know what I did that got it to do it.

Well, well, well, wonders will never cease. Just taking the picture was a nightmare, You need to make sure the camera has fully charged batteries in it, or you waste time not taking any pictures, then when you follow the instructions for saving things, you end up saving your boyfriends holiday pics all back onto the camera chip, which then becomes too full to take any pictures when you've managed to recharge the batteries. So, you do it all again and you can't get the pictures to go into the computer at all, because the little green light hasn't come on and you have to take the batteries out to tickle it's insides. The automatic focus does not focus where you want it to, you miss the thing you've been wanting to bid on on eBay, then you realise you really need to do this all outside in the sunshine, which I missed today as I had to spend the morning making soup for my Dad. So much for pointing the thing and pushing the big button, Peter!! This is the best picture that I got. Look at it and weep!! It's MINE. Sadly, it has some damage, There is a burst bubble inside on the base, and a stress fracture in the wall. It's about nine inches tall and I paid £17 for it. That is not a misprint!

TTFN, Sue

Max · « **Reply #1 on:** March 07, 2005, 06:41:55 PM »

What an incredible looking piece. It made me say 'Oooooh' when I saw it. You obviously know a lot about glass Sue.

I'd never even heard of Peill & Putzler [1952-95] before yesterday, but of course I knew that they're in Germany and their designers include Wagenfeld and Wilhelm Braun-Feldweg. Sig: etched P mark on bottom after c1960.

(Oh alright...I was copying from Ivo's book, a girl can't know everything!)

chopin-liszt · « **Reply #2 on:** March 07, 2005, 07:15:47 PM »

Hi, Max, No I didn't know anything about it. I saw it in a junkshop in Augsberg when I was on holiday and bought it because it was so amazing. The shopowner wanted £20 for it and said it was Swedish. We were busy trying to convert currency, as we only had a little cash left and the owner thought we were trying to get the price down, so he dropped the price! I only found out what it was when I got home. It has the double/mirror image P engraved on the side, which took a lot of finding. I believe this dates it after '86. I do not know for sure who the maker/ designer is, but from Lesley Jackson's book I suspect Horst Tusselman. Can anybody here confirm/ refute this suspicion? Cheers, Sue.

Frank · « **Reply #3 on:** March 07, 2005, 07:37:48 PM »

Very tasty piece. Was this the one with the silvered bubbles?

I would not be surprised with that type of bubble for several to be close to the surface and leak sufficiently for water vapour to get in, this tends to whiten the bubble but from time to time I have seen odd effects. It only takes the minutest crack for water to get in. Also two bubbles overlapping can give a mirrorlike appearance from optical effects. All are very random occurences.

Digital cameras are great fun and you seem to be experiencing that :lol:. Mine is an ageing Nikon and I cannot get the card out when on a tripod - close-ups are hard to get focussed well even with tripod. So using trial and error can be a lengthy process! Still quicker than taking a roll of film to the chemists. When I get rich I shall buy an SLR digital with real focussing!

Ivo · « **Reply #4 on:** March 07, 2005, 08:46:23 PM »

Quote from: "chopin-liszt"

Hi, Max, No I didn't know anything about it. I saw it in a junkshop in Augsberg when I was on holiday and bought it because it was so amazing. The shopowner wanted £20 for it and said it was Swedish. We were busy trying to convert currency, as we only had a little cash left and the owner thought we were trying to get the price down, so he dropped the price! I only found out what it was when I got home. It has the double/mirror image P engraved on the side, which took a lot of finding. I believe this dates it after '86. I do not know for sure who the maker/ designer is, but from Lesley Jackson's book I suspect Horst Tusselman. Can anybody here confirm/ refute this suspicion? Cheers, Sue.

Yess this is a piece of "Schleiergraphit", a technique allegedly developed by Daum in the 30s which makes use of graphite and results in a smoky streak with tiny little golden or silver bubbles. I was on the glass fair in The Hague last Sunday and there were several German dealers who showed Schleiergraphit pieces. I found the prices uunreasonably cheap - some went as low as 40 Euros (under 30 pounds) for what is quite collectible and high quality glass. Datewise you're looking at the sixties, not eighties. And Horst Tüselmann is a good guess, but I cannot confirm it. I have the same piece as in the photo with a faked Daum signature, several smaller items and a HUGE big whopping hall lamp.

Frank · « **Reply #5 on:** March 07, 2005, 08:49:28 PM »

One is an example.

Two is a mistake:
http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=7481&item=6516899097&rd=1&ssPageName=WD4V

Three is a collection:
http://www.glaskilian.de/nach1950/4685e.html

chopin-liszt · « **Reply #6 on:** March 07, 2005, 09:42:58 PM »

I've added a few more pictures I took last night, plus one my partner took before the first set of batteries went flat.
Ivo, you lucky person having more of these, especially a very big one. That, as well as the piece with the toroid bubble in it! I'm so-ooo jealous.

Frank, the second picture (the "mistake") doesn't really look like it very much, it seems to be more of a pale imitation, but the third, ("the collection") does. Yes, this is the silvery/ mirror effect piece. I love it. There are effects that are almost pictorial in it - like snow- covered bleak mountains and glaciers. Cheers, Sue.

Ivo · « **Reply #7 on:** March 08, 2005, 08:38:12 AM »

A selection of P&P Schleiergraphit pieces can be seen here:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~abel/germany/index.html

chopin-liszt · « **Reply #8 on:** March 08, 2005, 08:57:26 AM »

Frank, I've seen a piece at a fair that looked like the second piece you showed. I agree it is the same technique, but it does not have the same depth, complexity or sparkle.
If carbon is what vapouises to create a bubble, how come in these pieces there are huge bubbles lined with graphite? Graphite IS carbon, and if it is in a powdered form, how come it does not vapourise sooner than the presumably larger lumps that create the bigger bubbles? I think there are at least three layers of bubbles, I don't think this could be done by three casings with carbon bits of different sizes in each. I can't tell if the differing sizes are in different layers, but this would not result in huge bubbles lined with graphite powder. :?

Frank, again on the subject of bubbles (Can you tell I'm a bit obsessed with them?) do you know what creates the tiny bubble found in Nazeing? It always looks to me as if it has something to do with the particle of enamel because of the darker rim of colour around it. Again, to reassure Max, I know of somebody who thought these Nazeing bubbles were "injected" by hand.

Ivo, It was about 4 years ago I was in Germany and I was very surprised to find there seemed to be little interest in glass from the 20th century anywhere, apart from the ubiquitous WMF Ikora. The main glass interest was antique colour-cased and cut glasses. I have noticed more 20th century glass coming onto eBay from Germany recently though.
Cheers, Sue

Frank · « **Reply #9 on:** March 08, 2005, 11:00:25 AM »

I am a bubble fan too. I just love the organic nature of random bubbles. I have no idea how the 'hallmark' Nazeing bubbles are done.

I have a reference piece here which through a strong glass has a lot of black and brown? frit... (washed bowl - black and brown frit now gone :oops: ).

This bowl is the unbiquitous Nazeing puke green and all of the larger 'small' (fried egg) bubbles are in the center of denser pieces of enamel, all of the thinner more evenly spread green is covered in minute bubbles too and all of the bubbles appear to be lifting into the outer casing. On the inside of the bowl where the casing is thinner, some bubbles have raised the surface of the glass like tiny goose bumps, in a few places.

My guess is that they marverd the bowl in a mixture of enamel and graphite powder, did some blowing and twisting. Then it was marvered again followed by a little less manipluation before final casing. This second marvering would tend to leave larger bits of enamel and may as a result have caused the bubbles to join up into larger bubbes. But that is all speculation.

Similarly the 'multi-level' appearance of pieces with random bubbles

is probably the result of multiple marvering/shaping. Working on the piece between marvering would tend to embed the particles. I presume they only get hot enough to vaporise when reheating after the final gather. Shaping work tends to pull and stretch the bubbles

and dip moulding tends to gather the enamel and graphite together and slight variations in depth of graphite particles will tend to cause them to overlap - surface tension probably helps to keep the bubbles separate, but it is the joining up of multiple bubbles which gives the misshapen organic bubbles