Topic: J Cane Weight ID

[pooleandpaperweights]

Hi All

Is this a J glass weight, or Perthshire, or someone else?



thanks!
Ian

[KevinH]

Unfortunately, I know of no definitive listing of all the "J Weights" made by John Deacons. The lists and images shown in John Simmonds' book Paperweights From Great Britain 1930-2000 do not include anything that fits with the weight you show (but I could have missed something). In that book, there are no descriptions, for example, in respect of "J weights" that were made solely for the US market.

Probably the only way to be sure about the weight would be to ask John Deacons. (I don't have his contact details, but some folk who look in here may do and may be able to email you directly.)

[pooleandpaperweights]

Thanks Kev.

I've just read page 87 in the Dictionary of paperweight signature canes.  Seems this is a fake as it has 7 canes surrounding it, whilst 'proper' ones have 6,8 or 10.

Book basically says the weights where forged in the late 80's probably by the same people who made the fake Paul Ysart weights.

Ian

[Frank]

There are over 30 showing here. But none like yours.

[Wuff]

Is this a J glass weight, or Perthshire, or someone else?

To come back to the original question - could it be Perthshire?
The design coming to mind is PP14 - due to all letters of the alphabet being used to denote the year of production - J indicating 1978. Here's my PP14 from 1978:
(Click on image for larger view)
It's not necessary to point out all the differences - it clearly is a different weight, with a different "J" cane - and consequently the weight in question here is not Perthshire.

[pooleandpaperweights]

If I'm right perthshire only put letter date canes in 2 weights, PP14 and PP32, and this weight doesnt match the J used by Perthshire.  I recently had a PP14 and it wasnt the same as this one.  You can see the quality in it isn't quite right.  It's good, but not up to the standard of a proper J glass weight or a perthshire.

Ian

[Frank]

Can you add pics of profile and base please.

[Sklounion]

Ian,
you wrote:

Book basically says the weights where forged in the late 80's probably by the same people who made the fake Paul Ysart weights.

please can you add the direct citation from the publication, rather than a paraphrased version.
Regards,
Marcus

[tropdevin]

It looks very like a J glass weight to me - there are many uncatalogued designs. I think a PCC member was working on a comprehensive list, but I have not heard anything recently.

Alan

[pooleandpaperweights]

Direct quote from "The Dictionary of Paperweight Signature canes. Identification and Dating. by Andrew H Dohan."

"J Glass weights and signature canes reportedly were forged in large numbers in the late 1980's.  It is believed that the same person responsible for the fake Paul Ysart weights also produced a large quantity of paperweights purporting to be the work of John Deacons.  The fake cane illustrated at page 175 of Sibylle Jargstorf's book, Paperweights, has a large, loosely formed red "J" in a white circle with seven surrounding yellowish green and white millefiori rods.  The fake cane letter is larger than the original and looks more like a handwritten J where the original has more of a typewritten appearance.  The fake also has seven and not six, eight or ten rods in the outside circle of the design." (Posted with permission of the author)

And the weight as requested.







Book is under the Paperweight Press umbrella and I would recommend it, and can be brought from people like Larry Selman etc.

Ian