Topic: HELP? Please identify this cute little vase? Legras? Daum? Czech? OR repo?

[signchaser]

Hello everyone! Brand new guy here to the site...
I have looked over this vase 20 times looking for a signature? To no avail...
It's 3 1/2 inches tall X 5 inch diameter. Glass is thick and has a frosted look?
Enamel paint is very pretty and detailed. Both top and bottom are ground and polished...
Here are pics...Thanks for any help!!!
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[Ivo]

Pretty little vase but it will be very difficult to place. The technique is cold enamel on frosted ground (it has to be otherwise the enamel will not fix) and as for quality, it looks quite routinely made, like a Bob Ross painting.
I do not think the quality is anywhere near Daum (which is in a different class) and I would expect a different bottom for Legras - though with such a versatile maker nothing can ever be excluded. The painting is even difficult to place in time - it could have been any time between 1920 and 1960, and the finish on the bottom suggests it could even be more recent than that. My guess is it was made in Belgium, but in the absence of a signature it will be hard to prove.

[Andy]

Hi and welcome,
Very pretty, nice painting, I wondered about Legras? or another French maker,and i just found this,
while researching something else,
http://www.great-glass.co.uk/library/lib1d.htm
half way down page, number 6165
'a Czech enamelled satinised opalescent vase c 1920'
remarkable similarities!

Andy
 

ps another thought, Poschinger?

[Ivo]

There are some similarities in the cold enamel on satin ground technique and the fact that the subject is a river landscape  - but if the other attributions on that website are anything to go by, 'a Czech enamelled satinised opalescent vase c 1920' is a bit of a wild stab. 

It almost certainly is not Poschinger. The painter who jumps to mind is Henri Martin who worked in Belgium - but it does not have to be. As said, absence of a sig makes it very diffiult.

[Mike M]

Yes I agree with Ivo

very like Henri Martin

except looking a few I have  Martin tended to use stronger background colours -but it is in his style

-without handling it, its hard to tell age -there are a lot of fakes about but they are usually miniatures (ie 1-2 inches tall)

my view would be more Belgian/French rather than Czech/bohemain -definitely not quality of Legras or Poschninger

sorry can't help more

Mike

[Max]

Thanks Mike.    

[azelismia]

Mike, when you say it's not the quality of legras, how exactly do you mean? I've been looking at a lot of legras recently ( on the french ebay site) and it seems like the quality of legras is all over the board. Some of it is top notch and others look worse ( to me anyway) than this one. What are you gauging when you say not same quality?

Just trying to learn something here

[krsilber]

Mike, when you say it's not the quality of legras, how exactly do you mean?

I'm interested to hear about that, too.  I know very little about Legras, but offhand, my impression is that this vase seems heavier and thicker, and the enamel thinner than most of the Legras I've seen.  It's still a pretty piece, though.

The main comment I wanted to make is that ebay is not a good source of information, especially when one is looking at things that one is not already quite knowledgeable about.  Ideas, leads, general impressions it may be okay for, but far too often people use it as they would a well-researched reference, and I think that's a grave error.  (Well, maybe not "grave"...how about momentous?  Catastrophic? )  (Sorry, it's a pet peeve of mine that's at a particularly peevish pitch.)

[Max]

Mike is unavailable for a few days.  This is his website: http://www.manddmoir.co.uk/  he has some interesting vases there, but the little Legras vase I saw there about 5 months ago must have been sold.

[azelismia]

Kristi, I've asked a number of times if Legras has been reproduced. No one seems to think so. The only items I use as reference are those that are marked Legras. Ebay isn't my only source of course. I've been looking a pics all over the net. Some of the legras stuff is quite crude. Some of it is very intricate.

What about Peyraud for this piece?