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Re: gorgeous decanter original tag help with id please
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2009, 07:48:29 AM »
But I can't see any decoration, it just looks like plain glass from the photo, which, if my assumption is correct, kind of implies it's the wrong label or there is a holder missing

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Re: gorgeous decanter original tag help with id please
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2009, 11:02:19 AM »
stick-on pewter decoration may have fallen off or removed for the sake of decency?

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Re: gorgeous decanter original tag help with id please
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2009, 11:10:29 AM »
hi all been checking the thread was wondering is it possible the item was never completed.. the handle is very elegant it goes from a wide base to almost like a swan neck with a fine point where it attaches to the top. and as i said before it is well finished clean and crisp the pontil is much like a whitefriars base very clean.. i will take a pic in light tomorrow and upload it
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Re: gorgeous decanter original tag help with id please
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2009, 01:01:14 PM »
Please take a photo against a plain background and one of the base. Have you checked the base to see if there a mark?

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Re: gorgeous decanter original tag help with id please
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2009, 11:46:41 PM »
stick-on pewter decoration may have fallen off or removed for the sake of decency?

Hmmm yes, or a glass version of a pewter original maybe?
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Re: gorgeous decanter original tag help with id please
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2009, 01:28:34 AM »
 you are all wonderful but the question has come to light :ghug: on taking the decanter outside i found marks on the bowl that suggest something was on the body maybe the pewter that ivo suggests... i have tried to capture the marks as best i could it was hard with clear glass.... also pics of pontil and handle hope this helps
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Re: gorgeous decanter original tag help with id please
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2009, 01:32:23 AM »
Oops i just had another thought !!!! is it possible the decanter was made buy someone other than orselly and sent or consigned to lious for decoration
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Re: gorgeous decanter original tag help with id please
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2009, 07:42:11 AM »
Almost certainly; glass decorating, refining, as it's called, is often a separate thing altogether. Sometimes it's done in-house by the glass manufacturer, sometimes it's sub-contracted out by the manufacturer, and sometimes glass is bought in by the refiner (and possibly other variations). In this case, the Orsellys were/are almost certainly glass refiners who bought in glass to decorate and sell on; otherwise the glass woudn't be sold as "decorated by", more likely as simply "made by".

What puzzles me is why we have a label intact but no decoration. A stuck-on label in good condition usually implies dusting but little washing or use. A tie-on label in good condition would imply dusting but no washing or use - you simply wouldn't keep taking it off and putting it back on - so where did the decoration go? It would have to be pretty shoddy to disappear with dusting. OR maybe the label came from elsewhere. Labels are mobile, unfortunately. The archaic French is just a marketing affectation I suspect rather than a clue.

Try a picture against a black ground with and without flash. That may help to highlight any markings. Did you look on the bottom for an etched or engraved mark? How much wear is there on the bottom?

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Re: gorgeous decanter original tag help with id please
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2009, 01:26:36 AM »
Hi all
well these are some pics i tried to take in low lighting i hope they are clear enough... i searched the piece all over cannot find any maker marks! the base has wear signs and i took a pic of the other side of the tag as i just noticed it has writing on it.. it is obviously the tag for the piece as the marks of something being attached to it are evident as pics show i have tried to wash the marks of to no avail.. i also took another pic of the stopper it is really quite lovely on close inspection..
once again i am so enjoying this road of discovery thankyou so much
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Re: gorgeous decanter original tag help with id please
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2009, 01:47:33 AM »
Et voila! an example with a pewter bit still attached:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150318476693  8)
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