Topic: Sabino ashtray history

[chopin-liszt]

I do think we should head for the cafe, I also think the tone is getting a bit dodgy.
This an international board, and we have very many lovely American members here.

[misha]

True, many nice people there, however isn't it the case people in TX are very very polite to each other in public because of this factor?  Thats what I've been told from a very rational reliable source.

It's much the same way people in Darwin [Northern Territory - AU] are during what's termed 'the build up', when it is very hot and humid prior to monsoonal season are very very polite to each other due to everyone being on the edge of cracking up and turning monster.

Are people in Scotland very polite to each other in pubs because there are characters like Begbie in Trainspotting there?   I would be... polite that is!

[chopin-liszt]

 

ummm, I don't honestly think I can remember,    , not that far back, not in my heavy drinking days....

We're very friendly, though.    We'll chat to anybody.  :sn:
We blether to strangers in the bus queue, or sitting next to us, or just in a queue in the shop.
Folk hold doors open for strangers - who have the courtesy to say thanks.

(although I think that sort of thing is a bit less common in the bigger, richer, more international sorts of cities)

But once alcohol gets involved, things can go a bit..... awry ........ :ho:

[Leni]

I'm loving this thread!  It reminds me of 'The Good (or bad?) Old Days'!  

It also reminded me that I too have a small piece of Sabino glass!  But sadly mine has also been damaged by rampaging kittens!   

But she's not a fancy pedigree with their sometimes difficult behaviours - just a "wee moggie".

Sue, are you casting nasturtiums on my "fancy pedigree" fiends?    Rightly so, I'm afraid 

My little 'Hirondelle' bowl sits on my bedside table and I put my rings in it at night.  One day the cats were galloping across the bed and knocked over the bedside lamp, which chipped the edge of the little dish   What is it about cats and glass?  We know we're asking for trouble, yet we must tempt fate and collect both!   

I definitely second Sue's comment about the need for Museum Gel.  Most of my glass is stuck down with it, or with white-tac! 

[chopin-liszt]

 

Leni, it's the superior intelligence of your pedigree cats which makes them curious, adventurous and demanding - and that is something you're aware of when you choose your beasts - moggies can be like that, sometimes, but with pedigrees, it's just about guarenteed. No nasturtiums involved!
All cats are beautiful, without exception.

[misha]

While I still can.... the ashtrays look very interesting... pretty and interesting design.  
Shame about the ill feelings that come from an abrupt inquiry reply.  Who knows what sort of a day that person was having.... or what was going on in their life at the time.

I like this opalescent glass effect. I've worked with sheets of the stuff in leadlight panels application in the past.
Wasn't all that 'cheap'.... neither is deep red or handmade multi colour sheets.
Does anyone know how it is made?  Is it a post form treatment that can be abrasion removed?


Cats!   LOL  Lovely creatures.... most of the time.  Can be very destructive.

Not sure about 100% pedigree meaning 'superior'.  I've owned a few of the 'asian' breeds of 'show standard.
But my boy now is far from that. He of a wild cat breed that exists in the WA bush here... many isolated generations of feral nature with enough hybrid to develop into something unique to WA of sorts.
Might seem like a contradiction of terms, but he is 100% 'feral bush cat'.  
He is 3.5years old now and from 'wild aggressive' kitten/juvenile turned very affectionate, most of the time, after a lot of handling and never been treated rough. Having said that, his idea of 'play' is to stalk/attack.
Working in the garden a few weeks ago he did a full frontal attack at my leg, jumping and holding on with claws while he sunk teeth in. It was because I wasn't playing with him on his demand.
This cat has always been a bit like a dog, digging trenches to hide and pounce... following me around the house... challenging dogs that appear in the yard.... catches mice and plays gentle for a long time and then suddenly starts eating them alive... doesn't leave a trace, consuming the lot. Always very curious and does come when called. None of this appears to be food motivated. 
Funny how he was scared of the chooks when they were here. The 6 of them would gang up on him when free ranging.
He likes going for a drive in the car too, sitting in my lap looking out the side or front window purring away as we take a short drive.
Last night was the first time he sat in my lap as I was on the computer for 15min of his own will. Funny funny bugga... has a routine now of announcing his arrival into the room with a meow chorus,  giving a leg rub and licking my feet, then wandering over to feed a little, then disappearing into the night. Returns again every time doing same routine.
The 'meow' and long intense foot licking has only been going on for the last 3months.... never had a 'voice' at all prior to that.  
He can be problematic... can not be 'contained' in my room at night [gets viscous wanting out] nor contained the building as he will trip the alarm wandering around which is a major problem with security and Police response if I sleep through a 'confirm OK' telephone call. NOT GOOD AT ALL.
I wouldn't be without him... my best mate when I'm alone and knows when I get 'down'... even though he can be a proper doona hog in winter... which can end up in a fight.
Yeah.... my little mate PC. 100% West Oz Bush Cat.

[tortentaumel]

Can we talk about my ashtrays again? Any more informations about them?

Thanks

Torsten

[Lustrousstone]

Quote from Steven on page 1

Your ashtrays aren't especially rare, but I believe they are no longer in production. The pattern is shown in Philippe Decelle's Sabino Maitre Verrier de L'Art Deco 1878-1961 as no. 9077 Les Fleurs. The price in 1931 was 35 Francs for coloured or 40 Francs for Opal.

Not sure what else you want to know.

[tortentaumel]

For instance why there are so little around. I haven't got the book though. Would it be possible to
scan the pages and show it here?

[Mosquito]

Hi Torsten,

Not sure about scanning the book as it might breach copyright. I used to have M. Decelle's e-mail - if I find it, I'll ask him if it's OK, but really it's unnecessary as all it shows is a black and white image of the ashtray with the pattern no. There's no further information than what I've already given. If you're serious about collecting opalescent glass I'd recommend you invest in the book. It's out of print now but comes up on ebay every so often. I paid about 40 Euros for my copy and it's been invaluable in helping identify unusual or unmarked pieces. I'd also recommend Ph. Decelle's Opalescence Le Verre Moule des Annees 1920-30.

What I mean by not especially rare is that these are a production pattern not a special commission or trial pattern. I've certainly seen a number of examples over the years, though having said that, the last couple I saw were in a smoky-topaz colour rather than opalescent. In fact, I'd say all the pre-war Sabino ashtrays are fairly hard to come by, the only ashtrays I see with any frequency are the 9137 and related designs, i.e. the round ashtray with a central figure - most being post-war production. Ashtrays like this are not always easy to find at auction too as they're usually put into a job lot with other bits. There's much less demand for these than for vases or figures. Having said that, if you're patient and keep looking I'm sure you'll find more examples sooner or later.

I notice you also show a Sabino cendrier 'Les Pastilles' in your photo. Any chance of more photos of this as it looks to be a taller version than that shown in Decelle?

Steven