Topic: possible W/Fs saphire vase.

[Paul S.]

thinking I was improving in the recognition stakes, I bought this one morning on the strength of the fact that I was 99% sure I remembered it was a W/Fs. shape.  However, whilst it bears a similarity to pattern No. 9124 (constricted neck), it doesn't have the correct overall rectangular shape  -  and unlike 9124 this neck is 'waisted'.    I have looked at the catalogues from 1937 - 1957, but nothing else comes near enough that I can see, plus colour seems a little pale - so do I assume not W/Fs?     Height is 8.5".     thanks in advance for any help.

[Leni]

I would also say the blue was not quite right for WF Sapphire either, Paul   

[chriscooper]

Hi Paul, not one I recognise is the rim flat ground and polished? some similarities with the 9124 like you say but not quite right.

http://www.whitefriars.com/contents.php?ID=129

These and the similar 9376 Hogan pieces with the lobed bases had uneven fire polished rims

http://www.whitefriars.com/contents.php?ID=249

 Also agree with Leni the blue is not quite for sapphire
Had a good look through the Jackson book and nothing comes close.
I never say never,  but probably not in my opinion , but won't insult your intelligence by saying it could be Scandinavian but it could be a good next step :wsh:
Chris

[Paul S.]

ohhh - goofed perhaps, then.    However, I can say that is does have a fire polished rim (certainly not ground and polished) - daren't start banging around the house now, it's too late, and so I will look again tomorrow.      shhhhhhhh    she has gone to bed.    

[Paul S.]

just to say that I did look through Leslie Pina and Bill Geary, but so far it remains unidentified.    Anyway, thanks again for looking and for your suggestions. 

[Sussex_Oast]

Hey Paul
IMHO I think it's a scandi vase. I have seen numerous pieces purported to be Whitefriars which all have one thing in common, a completely spherical pontil mark such as this one. I know it sounds a bit daft but they are always perfect circles and quite unlike the standard Whitefriars pontil mark which is quite uneven. Annoyingly I can't remember the name of the Scandi manufacturer but it might just put you on the right track!? regards
Simon

[Paul S.]

thanks Simon, and would agree with you that it seems Scandi is now the most likely direction.   Coincidentally, this morning I have been looking through Stennett-Willson's 'The Beauty of Modern Glass' - thinking I might possibly find it there, but not luck.     Don't know that I'd agree with you, as a generalization, about W/Fs. pontil marks being uneven (not a good circular shape)  -  I've just had a rummage through my small collection of pre-Baxter and the textured pieces that he designed - and I'd be the first to admit that I'm the lest likely person to comment on this issue, but.............    my conclusion seems to be that the more heavily textured examples are susceptible to having less than circular pontils  -  although other smooth (non-Baxter) pieces seem to have good quality circular marks.    We need one of the W/Fs. buffs to comment.    

[chriscooper]

Paul, pretty much agree with you about the polished pontil marks, nice and neat though has you say on some of the textured pieces they tended to look a little 'stretched' sometimes but even a lot of them were quite neat.
A triangle vase....
https://picasaweb.google.com/107067405711297858658/126#5602165996365636930

The bowls, thick walled vessels, and jugs again neat as you can get..

https://picasaweb.google.com/107067405711297858658/PontilMarks?authkey=Gv1sRgCJv4zKvWjKnl8gE#

Chris

[flying free]

Chris, off on a tangent here, have you still got the pulled bubble paperweight? I have a suggestion for it.
m

[chriscooper]

Was it this one m

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,40049.0.html

Don't want Paul complaining his threads been hijacked
Chris