Topic: Scandinavian style satin glass lidded box - printed figures decoration & marked

[flying free]

The same seller was there this morning and look what I found  :hiclp:
different screen print picture, but same designer - I must have missed it last week or they didn't bring it.
The boys all look happy on the box but on this vase they all look solemn.
m

[Anik R]

Hi m,
I believe the handwritten numbers are prices. As such, it's safe to date your pieces to pre-1994, before the Kuna replaced the Dinar (at a ratio of 1 to 1000). 

[Anik R]

One more thing...  I don't quite know or understand why there is continued reference to Scandinavian artists in this thread. As Yugoslavia (and today, the countries of former Yugoslavia) has a rich tradition of naive art, I suspect the images on the pieces are by a Yugoslav artist. Lj. K. may be Ljubinko Kamatovic (Serbia) or Ljubica Kroflin (Croatia).  Unfortunately, not much can be found on either.

I like both pieces, by the way.  :hi:

[flying free]

Many thanks Anik, that's incredibly helpful  :sun:

There is continued reference to Scandinavia because I can't change the title  .  When I get time I'll ask the mods to change it.

m

[Anik R]

Ahhh, I see...  I missed the 'style' part of it all.  My apologies. :pb:

[flying free]

and just very quickly for future reference as I found it hard to find this without a lead
here is a link to a site from the Museum of Naive and Marginal Art - Serbia
It has a huge list of artists and more info that I haven't time to look at yet...but will do.

http://www.naiveart.rs/zbirkae.htm#K

m

[Cathy B]

What shall we change it to? Naive style? Folk-art style? (I think they're gorgeous, by the way.)

[Frank]

These could still be a transfer print. Screen dots would only occur of it the transfer was printed using a half tone photographic method. Which while suited for easy full colour printing it is not necessary and would not be the first choice for this type of illustration. Also you can get screen dots from silk screen and other types of printing so should never be assumed as an indicator of transfer.

If these were mass produced direct lithography is another option and again no screen dots would need to be present. But otherwise transfer would be quicker and cheaper than silk screen for medium volumes.

After printing the objects are heated to fuse the enamels. The indicator for direct printing and including silk screen would be minute tails in the trailing direction of the printing. But these could disappear as the enamel fuses and raises. Such artefacts might also be present on a transfer that was printed in a rotary press but not one that was printed on a flat press.

Screens are used to produce gradated tones in mono and colour printing. With enamels it is necessary to keep the dots separated as you do not get the benefit of ink transparency. Just looking at a transfer on a glass too hand this is 6 colour graphic line-printed i.e. no dots. with raised enamel.

[flying free]

Sorry for the late reply but I've been away for a couple of days.
Cathy thanks :sun: I think they are so appealing.   I'm not really sure what to rename as, since we still aren't entirely sure of origin.  However with the fantastic lead from Anik and the help from Frank and Christine on the method of printing (Frank did I read it right that these could be enamel?), perhaps they could justifiably be renamed as 'Yugoslavian 'naive art' enamelled figures- satin glass lidded box & vase' ? Can we wait and hear whether enamel is the right term to use first please?

Dimensions of vase 21cm tall, 6.5cm at the base edge to edge (it curves in slightly) and rim 7.3cm as the vase flairs very slightly about two thirds of the way up. 

Frank, thanks so much!  I used to deal with paper printing and techniques but never with anything to do with glass (and my interaction was fairly limited), but I understand some of what you were saying and can work some of it out.  In your last comment "Just looking at a transfer on a glass too hand this is 6 colour graphic line-printed i.e. no dots. with raised enamel." were you refering to the transfer on the glass you were looking at, or were you referring to my box and vase as being '6 colour graphic line-printed i.e. no dots. with raised enamel'? I've only ever heard of mono, 2 colour or 4 colour not 6 colour.
Thanks for any further enlightenment  :sun:

p.s. I went to an interesting exhibition in Barcelona a couple of weeks ago.  Unfortunately I only had an hour and more was needed:
http://museumpublicity.com/2011/05/13/museu-dart-contemporani-de-barcelona-macba-presents-museum-of-parallel-narratives/
m

[Lustrousstone]

Yours are mono colour. Sometimes printing uses made-up colours (i.e., ready mixed if you like), so you could have as many as you like; in your case one.

Four colour commercial printing is CMYK: cyan, magenta, yellow and key (black). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMYK_color_model

I think that paint on glass, at least the fired-on sort, is enamel, i.e., based on powdered glass. Hopefully Frank will tell me if I'm wrong.