Topic: Ex A C Hubbard Jr Collection

[Paul S.]

thanks for sharing Peter.        Firing glasses, in comparison with wines, ales, cordials are always much thinner on the ground, and I guess this may have had something to do with their dangerous life style, or that simply they were commercially less popular, so were not made in numbers.    For those who may not be aware of the reason for the name....it comes, apparently, from the habit of using them for occasions of toasting when, in unison, they were physically banged hard on the table thus producing a sound resembling the 'firing' of a gun - or so the story goes.
You seem to have another winner here, insofar as Bickerton seems not to have seen one with this precise stem decoration which might be described as...........
SSCOWT  i.e. single series colour and opaque white twist with 14-ply spiral band outside  -   which is a big mouthful for a small glass, but please correct me Peter if that is complete rubbish.
In Bickerton there are two firing glasses only (in the in the mixed and colour twist stem section) - both with green and white twists, but no mention of a red example - and I assume you are dating your glass solely on the date the author provides for his examples.    Could yours possibly be an earlier date?    Height wise it is more or less on the button.

Firing glasses are rather special at the best of times, and to have one with an almost unique stem decoration (including red) and in perfect condition, is well............just remember, please, if you do drink form this one, not to bang it on the table afterwards.

Anyway, congratulations, and again I think this is a rather special example.

[oldglassman]

Hi Paul ,
             It would be described as a double series colour twist , the inner white corkscrew backed with red is 1 series the other is the 14 ply around , therefor a double series,
  Bickerton unfortunately only illustrates a fraction of the variation of twist stems , see Barrington haynes for a more in depth breakdown of recorded twist forms , there are almost 200 i think ,red is not that uncommon but in this form quite unusual ,
  Its generally accepted that Colour twists came later in the series of opaque twists and for convenience are usually dated to 1770 ish , though of course some could have been made a little earlier , and of course later ,but no later than 1780 ish I suspect ,

lol  no banging on the table with this 1 , I have seen it done and the sad result lol  lots of little bits of glass all over the table ,

Cheers,
            Peter.

[Lustrousstone]

Keep sharing please  :clap:

[chopin-liszt]

 :hi:
Seconded - it seems as if you have acquired some serious treasures Peter - and I can't think of a better person to be their custodian. :sun:

[Paul S.]

I can............me for example

apologies for getting the description of the twist wrong.        I had thought that.... 'double' or 'single' twist series refered to whether the main opaque corkscrew (in your case the red and white opaque spiral), was formed as one thick combined thread (i.e. single series), or split into two separate threads (i.e. double series)  -  in my mind nothing to do with the 14 ply thinner strands.             However, never mind, I got it wrong and I'm now confused anyway.

Hope you don't object too much to me adding pictures of my one and only firing glass..........and is there a particular significance to this hollow 'pedestal' type of foot  -  is it a ships firing glass possibly?   -  you can see the snapped pontil quite clearly, and the fact that I have dated it to c.1770 (?)

I wonder if the Mods. would prefer that your glasses are submitted as separate posts, it would certainly help future searches, and anyway......I always get told off if I put more than one piece in the same post

Now looking forward to your next offering

[oldglassman]

Hi Paul,
         Your foot type in known as a flanged foot , another type of firing foot , though not specifically a ships firing glass , Ships Glasses usually have exceptionally wide feet for stability in the high seas ,

Single Series twists are those that contain only one type of twist,ie a spiral gauze on its own or a multiple of identical twists , a pair of spiral gauzes or four spiral gauzes, a double series contains 2 types of twist ,ie a corkscrew with 2 threads around it, or a gauze with a multi ply band around it , 2 distinct elements to the twist , and occasionally you will come across a triple twist, once again though thought has moved on from both Haynes and Bickerton so some of the glasses which are described as single series twists in those publications are wrong.
 you can see an almost identical dram to mine in Haynes ,plate 90 d ,with green as the colour , but i think more than likely from the same chair as mine .

I had thought of each glass being shown in a new post and if this is preferred I will do that for the next 1 ,if so could the mods change the title of this post to , Ex AC Hubbard etc  glasses 1 and 2

Cheers ,
            Peter.

[Bernard C]

...   I had thought of each glass being shown in a new post and if this is preferred I will do that for the next 1 ,if so could the mods change the title of this post to , Ex AC Hubbard etc  glasses 1 and 2   ...

Peter — I like the way this topic is proceeding, particularly as members are being disciplined about only discussing the latest glass to be posted.   It is creating a most useful single knowledge resource on an important and readily identifiable small group of glasses.   And it's both readable and fresh.   I would like you to continue with your approach and for members to keep to the discipline they have shown so far by just discussing your latest glass.   I can help create and insert an index at the beginning to allow readers to link to the discussion on any one glass, perhaps by just clicking on the glass they want in a panorama of the complete set.

If it goes awry we can always split it up later.

I will bring this up with my colleagues on the GMB Committee and seek their acquiescence.

Bernard C.    

[oldglassman]

Thank you Bernard,   :thup:
           Sounds like a very good idea,if you think there is enough interrest.

  Cheers ,
             Peter.

[Paul S.]

sincere thanks for all the guidance and help Peter.
  

[Anne]

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