Topic: ID request for pink jug please

[bfg]

...and this is the pink jug for ID , with hand painted floral decoration, white alabaster type handle and has a wide flat polished pontil

stands 3 inches high to the handle, again opaque pink glass but in this artificial light it makes the vase in my other posting look redder, if you know what I mean

many thanks, Mel

[flying free]

also opaline and absolutely gorgeous    I don't know who made it though, sorry.  Although it's very interesting with the white opaline handle, a great contrast.  I'm sure someone will be able to help more.  Can you get a closer pic of the enamelling on it as well please?  I'd love to see that in more detail.  And a top view of the jug to see how the spout and rim are curved?
Thanks 
m

[keith]

Did Stevens and Williams ever decorate their opaline glass?

[bfg]

sorry for the tardy reply, life has a habit of interfering with my glass obsession 

m, I've attached some more photos - just quick snaps but should show you what you are looking for and Keith, I have found very little on S&W opaline but I'm still looking

thanks for the replies so far   

[flying free]

Stevens and Williams alabaster is referred to as Alabaster I think usually(may or may not be right but when you google that seems to be a key word)...but there is precious little information on it.  If you google Stevens and Williams Rose du Barry which is what their pink was called, you may get some hits, mostly of lidded pots and wine/cordial glasses.  The pink of your jug doesn't look quite as rose pink as S & W to me but I couldn't say definitely not.

I wanted a pic from the top to see whether it had been 'pinched' at the top sides to form the spout which makes a kind of trefoil shape from the top.  The handle has been applied from the top down I think?  does that make it an older piece?
I haven't found any decorated S &W alabaster but who knows - it doesn't seem to be well documented at all to be honest.   The Steuben site has better documentation than anything I could find. 
Could it be French? What is that decoration?  Is it vine leaves and grapes (or hops? hides behind sofa before someone tells me that is not what hops look like  ) edited to add, forget the hops - I've just realised that what I am seeing as brown enamel on my screen is in fact gold 
Just more questions from re reading my post  sorry.
m

[Lustrousstone]

M's brown/gold issue made me look closer. The gold is over yellow, which is typically Bohemian, though I don't know that it's solely Bohemian. I'm inclined to think the shape is a little crude for Stevens and Williams too.

[Bernard C]

Mel — Both Janet and I had a close look and discussed it over dinner.   While we are fairly certain that it's S&W/RB or Empoli, we're not at all sure which.

Ignoring the decoration, which could be by anyone, we concluded:

Pontil finish more S&W/RB,

Handle more Empoli,

Pink OK with me for either — Janet doesn't like it for S&W/RB Alabaster,

Shape OK with me for either — Janet thinks it's more Italian.

Bernard C. 

[Paul S.]

According to 'The Crystal Years'.........the S. & W. use of the name 'Rose du Barry' has nothing to do with 'Alabaster.    It was in fact this factory's trade name for their variation of Burmese - which was a name they couldn't use for obvious reasons.       S. & W.'s Rose du Barry looks just like much of the regular Burmese even down to the gilding - although whether it 'glows' I don't know (I need a piece )
I'm sure we've been through much of this argument in recent times when I posted a blue piece, which Nigel attributed definitely to S.& W., and that piece has a concave ground/polished pontil mark, and doubtless that is somewhere on the Board's Search facility - it wasn't more than 5 - 7 months back, I'm sure.        Looking at the illustration in the book of the S.& W. 'rose' alabaster - it really does look a delicate shade of rose  -and not pink like this piece.
As regards enamelled decoration, the book says..............."The output was undecorated except with enamels, and was sold as plain coloured to the Birmingham silversmiths for insets and as vases for flower stands".       
Steuben and Richardsons also produced alabaster  -  Richardsons apparently looking virtually identical to S.&W. (but I don't know if they offered a 'rose').         Carder produced something similar to rose, and called it 'Rosaline', but he seems not to achieved quite S.&W.'s delicate shade of 'rose'.
I'm quoting the above in relation to S.&W.  -  I have zero knowledge of other Continental offerings, or of the Steuben material - and apologies if it seems like cheating - just quoting from a book.

P.S.    Anyway, now we know where Alum Bay got their design idea from for their little milk jug you see quite often
P.P.S   -  do have a look through the search for the previous discussion - it may offer some more useful information. 

[flying free]

I was referencing from page 108 Charles Hajdamach's 20th century British Glass.  Presumably he is incorrect in his description of the opaline covered pieces in plate 213 then?
The plate shows 3 opaline covered lidded pieces the two taller of which he refers to as vases.
He says
'Alabaster bowl and vases by Stevens and Williams, 1920s.  The pink vase  is the firm's 'rose-du-barry' while the white vase is their 'eau-de-nil'. '
I'd be interested to know which is correct to describe Stevens and Williams opaline pieces in this range then.
It's difficult to tell colours from a screen but I would say that is not Stevens and Williams pink in their alabaster range as it is not an intense enough rose pink colour, but I could be wrong  The two things that do look like S&W to me are the large pontil mark (one of the pieces I had until recently had a very large pontil mark like that) and the flat top on the top of the handle which reminds me of the flat tops they put on their knops on their lidded bathroom bowls and covered vases.
Paul could you please link your id from Nigel thread as I have done a number of searches on Stevens and Williams alabaster and that has not come up.  Thanks
m

[Paul S.]

omg at this time of night you make such a request already           oh well, here goes another late night then.