Topic: Ysart (?) butterfly

[chopin-liszt]

 

It must be very lonely collecting without other collectors to share and appreciate collections with. Sharing with others who appreciate it is the greatest joy of collecting - making friends with similar afflictions to yourself!

[w8happiness]

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What does anyone think of the attribution of this butterfly paperweight?.  I have my doubts.

Alan

Hello Alan, the first listing contains:  "RARE PAUL YSART BASKETWORK AND BUTTERFLY PAPERWEIGHT", the others
have "PAPERWEIGHTS SIGNED WITH PY"- this makes a small but important difference, I think!
kind regards Erhard

[tropdevin]

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Hi Erhard.

I agree - the first advert misleads the bidder, but the others let the bidder mislead themselves!

Alan

[w8happiness]

Hi Alan,
yes!! that's true- the next big exit from those misleading highways sound like "Please decide for yourself, I am not a paperweight expert" -
I am astonished how many fake PY weights have surfaced recently (also in Germany)- some with "correct" "fake" attribution, some without...

kind regards Erhard

[mjr]

I remember a time before kids and school fees when i could get to Swinderby (for those that do not know, it is a huge antique fair close to Newark and in Lincolnshire)  and had money to spend.  Probably nearly 10 years ago, and there was a man there selling PY weights. However, I think he was not passing them as genuine, but as "fakes". He told a story of having bought many of them some time previously believing them to be genuine.  I think they were reasonably priced.  I should have bought some!   
I googled Ramon More but nothing obvious came up. 

[mjr]

aha
Seller also listing a John Deacons
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LIMITED-EDITION-JOHN-DEACONS-SEAHORSE-PAPERWEIGHT-MARKED-1-1-see-pics-/321082357510   as coming from the same Ramon More collection

in the description for this it states
"It was designed by David More and made for his grandfather who owned the Birches Hotel in Crieff in Perthshire, Scotland"
That is an interesting geographical connection!!
A cursory search shows the hotel being on the market in 1984 and currently being a care home.  So if the owner pre 1984 was Ramon More he would have been well placed to amass a good collection

[Nick77]

And another hope the original owner didn't buy all these at genuine Paul Ysart prices

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STRIKING-COLBOLT-BLUE-PAPERWEIGHT-WITH-VASE-OF-FLOWERS-SIGNED-PY-/321084146910?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item4ac21b44de

Nick

[tropdevin]

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Hi.

If the collection belonged to a hotel owner in Perthshire, as indicated above, then perhaps he got them in Scotland, maybe direct from the maker?

Alan

[Nick77]

Hi Alan
Could be I suppose, the quality of the vase and flowers in this latest one is pretty bad, I'd be surprised that anyone that knew Paul's work thought it was genuine.

Nick

[w84it]

The plot thickens - the butterfly and other listings by the seller mentioned above have mysteriously been removed from ebay.   Wonder why?