Topic: Info on registration mark please

[oldglassman]

 
Hi ,
            Can anyone decipher this registration mark , http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/A-RARE-C-1843-SUPERB-HAND-ENGRAVED-GLASS-BISCUIT-JAR-WITH-S-P-LID-/151129195341?pt=AU_Decorative_Arts_Homewares&hash=item233000834d
 And , is this needle etching ??.

  cheers ,
                Peter.

   oooops my link dont work  (copy and paste) 

Mod: Link fixed for you Peter, it was because there was no space between the , and the URL.

[glassobsessed]

Going N/S/E/W to me it looks like 15/5 and 4/H

For link to the ebay item click here

John

[oldglassman]

Hi ,
        Yep thanks I see that ,I am interested to know if that can be translated into a maker and date .

   cheers ,

   Peter.
                 

[Paul S.]

Well it should be possible to tell you  -  it might just be me being thick, but the lozenge doesn't seem to agree with the first period details - which it should - if the date is 1843.

Where the figure 15 is, there should be an upper case H, which is the year letter for 1843.        Numbers in the top segment indicate a date post 1867 - and then the H is in the correct place for 1869  -  trouble is then that there should be a letter in the bottom segment, not a number.

[Lustrousstone]

That butterfly looks very like a Webb butterfly

Your link didn't work because you have a comma before the http; comma space would have been OK

[Paul S.]

there are seven Registrations for 1843 (in the sense of items that are considered to be within the usual line of our sort of glass).      Four of which I can discount as I have pix of these  -  the other three I'm uncertain of at the moment, but can check these in the morning if that's of interest.

I don't really understand the comment 'needle etching' Peter  -  are you referring to a process prior to the use of machine acid etching of c. 1850  -  much of the design on this b/barrel looks very similar to machine work  -  especially the geometric patterning.

[oldglassman]

    Hi,
          The needle etching I thought it was is the machine process with acid cut back ,the interest in the date lozenge is that if it is mechanical needle etching I suspect it cant be dated to 1843 , this would be too early for the process I believe .

Thanks Christine ,what a twit I am
 
cheers ,
              Peter.

[Paul S.]

I would agree with the suggestion that the apparent Registration date provided by this piece appears to be earlier than the generally accepted date of the beginning of machine acid etching.
It's also frustrating not being able to decypher the lozenge details.
Would assume you've read the relevant chapter (9) in Charles Hajdamach's book on C19 glass re machine acid etching Peter

[oldglassman]

Hi,
          Nope not got that book , this is completely out of my time frame for real interest I am afraid but the description combined with the registration mark got me wondering if it all added up correctly , seems like it doesn't.

cheers ,
   Peter.

[Paul S.]

Wot  -  you mean that I have a book that you don't Peter...        you should get a copy, lots of very interesting glass with which to broaden your horizons

I will check TNA tomorrow for 1843.