Topic: Ercole Barovier vases date needed

[chopin-liszt]

Sorry again, Trevor. Frank is such a well-known expert/enthusiast/personality in glass I sometimes forget the whole world doesn't know about him.
The "attribution" came about a very long time ago. I have never encountered any information to the contrary about them. They just occassionally pop up and the same attribution is given again.

It WOULD be good to find out more. Meanwhile though, I'm pleased to have the bits I do. I like them.

[Pinkspoons]

@Nic: to find a roughly ground base on a "Scavo" piece wouldn't surprise me that much.
My SVdA pieces have the most elaborate base finish in all my collection.
Can you show me a crude finish on a non-Scavo piece?

I'll have to have a rummage in my image folder, but I suspect that any immediate photographic evidence will have been on my old - long-since dead - computer. The prime example that leaps to mind is a series of Albarelli-era tall wrythen candlesticks that were decidedly bodged together.

[rocco]

Thank you Nic. I think that was my point...

There are surely exceptions (and maybe not too few considering the long tradition of glassmaking in Venice), but bases like the ones on the pieces in question don't seemt to be the rule on Murano pieces, high or low end.

Funny that no one except Sue and me seems to be familiar with these bubbly pieces.
I have seen probably more than a dozen through the last years, on fleamarkets and online, both vases and ashtrays.
(On ebay Germany they are usually offered as Löffelhardt for Zwiesel)

They come in a variety colours, including green, blue and bright yellow, and always have the flat roughly ground base and the metallic iridescence.

I first heard of the Romanian attribution here on the GMB, but it seemed very convincing.

Michael

[chopin-liszt]

That they seem to turn up from mostly around east-ish europe does support the Romanian theory.
I do believe they have some age - perhaps  '60s, '70s '80s? I don't know. The style is quite "retro" but if they were coming from behind the Iron Curtain, they may well have been more advanced in style than from this side of it.

[Frank]

That these are known and of a very high quality it would seem likely that they are not Italian. It might be worth asking the gallery you bought from if they can put you in touch with Alan Carter. The Initials on the piece are probably Carter' s collection mark and II could well be for a Romanian maker as I is a common initial... Ioan Nemtoi for example. But as the attribution to Romania is not supported you might have to spread your search wider.
Contacting Romanian art museums might help http://romaniatourism.com/arts.html Also try Institute of Fine Arts Glass Department in Bucharest and Klansenburg. Dan Bancila has been involved in Romanian studio glass since the 70s http://danbancila.blogspot.co.uk if he does not recognise it it will probably not be Romanian.
You could also ask Stilart as they have been around for quite a while but they would not have made these. www.stilart.ro
see also for base finish:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,46846.msg264427.html#msg264427

This Seguso is similar technique but miles away in the way it is made. http://www.moltabellaglass.com/items/551157/en1store.html

Would also consider Turkey for some reason. Gormus for example... but a long shot.
Thread should move to glass

[Trevor W]

Hi Frank.
I appreciate your input and I'll try your suggestions.

Many thanks
Trevor

[Trevor W]

Hi Frank. For some reason I missed checking the link to the Mario Pinzoni for Seguso at moltobellaglass.com you gave.
Well I'm convinced this is a copy of the same vase, surely. I have taken the liberty of placing those images and mine side by side. I'm seeing the same bubble size variations and occasional pointed bubbles. There are small bubbles within bubbles on both, the same striations and contents in the bubbles (they look like plant or animal cells) and the exact same size and form of black inclusions. The vases look to be as identical as you could get. Iridescence, indentations at base, ground base, same height within a centimeter. The only difference I see is the bubbles go further into the rim on the Seguso.
So Moltabelloglass attributes this to Mario Pinzoni but also says "Perhaps this is an earlier 1930's Barovier piece or Flavio Poli for Seguso. They all produced similar techniques." So we come back to Ercole Barovier again.
What do you think, Frank and others.
Thanks
Trevor.

[chopin-liszt]

I strongly suspect moltobello glass is clueless about the vase they have.
I think it is the same as yours, but that their attribution is just wishful thinking.

[Trevor W]

Yes I suspect that too Sue. I'm going to carry on the search with Frank's suggestions. I'm really want to find the maker.
Trevor.

[Frank]

I agree with Sue. Bubble pieces are a basic technique that was widely used and the world is full of unknowns :-(