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Author Topic: Miniature vase with spiral filagree, Bimini or?  (Read 1858 times)

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Re: Miniature vase with spiral filagree, Bimini or?
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2017, 10:35:34 PM »
got it :)
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Re: Miniature vase with spiral filagree, Bimini or?
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2017, 12:13:47 AM »
I think the Beykoz might have been a red herring.  I can't find a match for the mezza (?) filigrana.
But the rim and shape would perhaps fit.

Looking at Italian pieces they don't seem to have the pulled rim so much, but I know absolutely nothing about Murano glass.

This link is where a cocktail set was id'd as Jostra
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,55248.msg358739.html#msg358739

These examples are why I thought of Çeşm-i bülbül
http://perakendebulten.com/kanal/moda___magazacilik/pasabahceden_kiymetli_annelere_kiymetli_hediyeler.htm

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Re: Miniature vase with spiral filagree, Bimini or?
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2017, 06:02:45 PM »
All the Turkish examples I found have solid blue canes, unlike mine but of course it could still be Turkish.

Surfing away from your link is how I stumbled on these paperweights:
http://www.unutulmussanatlar.com/2012/07/cam-islemeciligi_24.html

The stick holder looks to be a simplified version of Ivo's, it does not have the lower line of openings or such complex sticks. Would assume the same maker.

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Re: Miniature vase with spiral filagree, Bimini or?
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2017, 09:57:16 PM »
I search a lot on Russian and Turkish glass and both are very difficult to get information on.

Partly because I do not speak the language of either.  But talking in the case of Turkish glass, the impression I get is that it wasn't highly documented, some appears to have been from Bohemia, it appears to me that some might have been from Bohemia and decorated in Turkey but some might perhaps have been decorated in Bohemia (I have spotted the odd piece with very similar enamelling on to some Bohemian glass and quite obscure designs i.e. one or two pieces in Das Bohmische Glas with similar enamelling early 1800s), and then some in my opinion might have been from France? And whilst I have found some documentation and translated it, there really doesn't appear to be a huge amount that is accessible if you don't speak Turkish... and possibly not a huge amount of documentation full stop.  I've found the odd research article on their 19th century production and there is one book I think on Beykoz but it's hard to find much documented info.

Some of the glass is not my cup of tea at all, but there are jewels here and there that are really beautiful.
I have one recent piece that is absolutely immaculately made.  And some of those pieces you linked to, whilst not my thing, are precision made pieces.

It's a very interesting market that is under researched (the 19th century and earlier) and even the 20th century.  The more recent output from Pasabahce as far as I can see has a huge range from pedestrian to immaculate specialist pieces. 

Yes, your cocktail stick pot does have remarkable similarities.

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Re: Miniature vase with spiral filagree, Bimini or?
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2017, 09:42:36 AM »
Great set of cocktail sticks 1106 and holder 1206. The sticks are interchangeable but you have them in the catalog format. Nice one!
Top maker highly collectable.

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Re: Miniature vase with spiral filagree, Bimini or?
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2017, 05:46:46 PM »
Very similar to the Murano wine glass i posted on here recently, i was in a shop full of this very fine light weight work on Murano a few weeks ago.

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,63972.0.html
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Re: Miniature vase with spiral filagree, Bimini or?
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2017, 09:00:47 PM »
Thank you Coupsdestylo, much appreciated. The set is not in the best condition but that does not matter to me at all, looks great in my kitchen.

Chris you are right, Murano is as good a bet as any for the vase. For some reason I had overlooked that possibility. On close inspection you can see the odd air bubble but I need a loupe to spot what are only a very few tiny spots of ash, makes me suspect it is not old. I counted 18 white strands and one blue then the pattern repeats. The coloured threads in the bowl of your wineglass look to have a white core too.


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Re: Miniature vase with spiral filagree, Bimini or?
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2017, 09:21:28 PM »
Well the daughter of the  my piece said the new generation of glass blowers can not repeat the quality it took her dad 30 years to achieve, I would have purchased more but I had the all seeing eye with me at the time .
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Re: Miniature vase with spiral filagree, Bimini or?
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2017, 09:36:42 PM »
What's wrong with the set? from your picture it looks to be in good condition, an enviable Jostra set most holders have been messed about with and contain few or none of the correct picks, yours are there in catalog condition!! the next time you have cocktails they'll make them rather distinguished :-)
Theres some great art glass barware out there.

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Re: Miniature vase with spiral filagree, Bimini or?
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2017, 07:15:55 PM »
What a fantastic holder, kind of crazy design, the arms with holes in are great.  ;D

Four of my sticks are missing tips and two of the openings have taken a hit, probably from striking one into the other.

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