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Re: Lidded Boxes Signed "B" - Baccarat??
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2017, 01:15:01 AM »
Yes indeed. And I have spotted 2 more second hand boxes,
Not described as Baccarat, same signature
A litte more expensive, but still <$60.

One with dish/plate, signed "B".


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Re: Lidded Boxes Signed "B" - Baccarat??
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2017, 08:23:27 AM »
Like M, it needs a bit more research before you can definitely attribute it to Baccarat.

I've never seen this mark before, not that this means anything, but this mark's nowhere documented for Baccarat and so far we've only seen auction- and sale results over here, without anything to back up their theory. The only B they've used was on paperweights with a date next to it, from what I could figure out.

Maybe I'm wrong and Baccarat will say yes, it's ours, but at least then you know for sure. For the moment we're just guessing.

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Re: Lidded Boxes Signed "B" - Baccarat??
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2017, 08:33:30 AM »
okay, I understand. :)

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Re: Lidded Boxes Signed "B" - Baccarat??
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2017, 09:49:15 AM »
this uncertainty of whether a piece of glass is pressed or cut seems to be a perennial problem, especially for folk who are new to glass collecting, and some of us who are not so new ;D

On the face of it there shouldn't be a problem............   pressed glass lacks sharpness of design/pattern, and often shows vertical (usually) lines created where the separate parts of the mould come together.               Unfortunately, it's not always that simple, and top quality pressed glass is often fire treated to remove the mould seams, and a good quality mould made piece can run average quality cut glass a very close second.

The word crystal is used wrongly too often and appears on labels attached to many pieces of glass - clear or coloured  -  it should never appear on pressed/mould made glass.               The term should perhaps be reserved for cut glass where the lead content is known to be high - which gives good refractive properties, and full lead crystal glass should probably contain around 34% oxide.       On the face of it, it might be imagined that the word should be confined to clear cut glass, since there isn't going to be much in the way of light refraction from a piece of opaquely coloured glass. 
For most purposes, certainly on the GMB, if you confine descriptions to using either 'cut' or 'pressed', then this will be adequate for most folk to understand what you mean  -  and yes, you can use the word 'paid' in that sense. :)

Looking at the op's lidded boxes in the first post, I assumed - possibly wrongly - that the pattern was what I tend to call 'hobnail', although not sure whether Anne or m have used that term in any of their posts.             Not sure of the origin of this design, but it enjoyed a lot of popularity back in the second half of the C19 and into the early C20, appearing a lot in cut form on those heavy round, often silver lidded scent bottles - but also it seems on much pressed glass  -  I think Davidson in the U.K. produced an entire suite called hobnail, but could be wrong on that.
It should be possible to tell whether the design is cut or pressed - the former will feel a lot sharper, and under a lens some remains of the original cutting marks should still be visible.           Reflected light, from within the cut surfaces of the mitres, should allow you to see the slight variation in levels of glass where the worker's hands moved ever so slightly during the cutting  -  no matter how careful the worker was, there is always some minute deviation in surface level, and by playing the light onto this area the grinding marks and variation can be seen.
Pressed glass avoids all of these visual effects, and shows simply as a smooth surface  -  plus the fact that the outline edges of the design will not usually be sharp.

Sorry this is boring and long-winded  -  nice boxes by the way, and sounds like good prices. :)

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Re: Lidded Boxes Signed "B" - Baccarat??
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2017, 04:13:08 PM »
Paul S. ,

Thank you very much for your information.
I'll definately save it for later.

In the meantime I've mailed the Baccarat company,
about the "B"-mark being official.

And this was the answer:

"Hello:

Unfortunately we cannot authenticate our product by description or picture. 
What I would recommend is you contact a local appraiser in your area or we recommend:

Sotheby's  at 212.606.7000 or
Christie's at 212.636.2000

Thank you for your interest in Baccarat.
Regards,
US Customer Service"



Didn't really help me.
I haven't asked if my 'piece' was authentic or not,
I asked if the "B"-mark was used on other glass, next to the paperweights.

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Re: Lidded Boxes Signed "B" - Baccarat??
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2017, 04:53:18 PM »
their response is disappointing.               I did have some communication with them - in France - some four or five years back, and from memory they were very helpful.         Perhaps this is a sign of the times.

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Re: Lidded Boxes Signed "B" - Baccarat??
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2017, 05:19:07 PM »
Yes maybe. But maybe they get 10.000 item related questions a day.
Who knows :p

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Re: Lidded Boxes Signed "B" - Baccarat??
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2017, 04:18:35 PM »
Hi antonizz,

I have removed your post about the "2 crystal vases" and the "bowl" as we prefer to keep items separate unless they add some value to the original thread.

Also, more importantly, as you have not received the "bowl" then the images you posted were, presumably, not yours. The Board policy is that 3rd party images must not be posted unless permission has been given by the copyright holder (and the permission stated in the post).
KevinH

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Re: Lidded Boxes Signed "B" - Baccarat??
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2017, 04:26:41 PM »
I understand.  ;)

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Re: Lidded Boxes Signed "B" - Baccarat??
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2017, 08:04:07 AM »
Hey everybody,

I found a new one yesterday.

Now on 1stdibs. 
https://www.1stdibs.com/furniture/decorative-objects/boxes/decorative-boxes/signed-baccarat-crystal-table-box/id-f_4059573/


Liveauctioneers estimated my boxes €150-250 each,
and called it Baccarat.

What more can I say?

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