Topic: Translation needed from Old German Text enameled onto ribbed optic/rigaree vase

[catshome]

I'm guessing its a vase - 20.5cm high and 10cm diameter across the flat rim.  Although, at first, I will admit I did think it was a toast on a drinking glass, and the rigaree was to make it non slip.

I have spent (literally) hours with Google translator......some of the results made me laugh out loud.

This is what I think it says on the vase :

Vereinte Lieb,
Vereinte Kraft,
Dem Haufe Glück,
Und Wohlstand Schafft.

This is what I have so far :

United love (united dear, united sweet)
United power, (combined strength, combined power, united strength)
Lots of luck,
And prosperity creates.

I really struggled with the first letter of the second word in the third row.  So it could be Yaufe (year), Saufe (Baptism), and I think "Gaufe Gluck" would be "good luck", but I ruled it out as I thought the first letters of those two words should be the same.

I thought it might be a well known phrase or saying, but I could only find one reference to "Vereinte Leib" and that was in a hymn but without the rest of the text.

Never knew failing my German O'Level all those years ago would come back and bite me!

Only bought this piece out of curiosity about the text, but it would be intersting to hear any thoughts about the glass.

[JohnM]

2nd word in the 3rd row : I think that the 4th letter is "s" rather than "f". Compare with the final word (4th row) - schafft. If that is the case then "Haufe" becomes "Hause".

[JohnM]

?
United love and combined strength brings happiness and prosperity to the home.
?

[Lustrousstone]

It's probably a toasting glass; the sort that was passed round a crowd of people

[chopin-liszt]

I have asked a multilingual German friend for some help with this, and if it is any particular saying/ toast.

[catshome]

That would probably shed some light.......I was thinking about our use of "bottoms up", and if you were not familiar with the expression and used google translator to turn it into your language......well, you might be left wondering......

John, thank you for making it into something that flowed a bit better....makes me think it could relate to a marriage or a new home.

Christine, I haven't seen any drinking vessels with flat rims like this has, and the optic rib makes it feel quite strange when I tried it.  does anything with these two characteristics come to mind that I could have a look at?  Completely off topic......your uranium glass album is absolutely amazing.....what an invaluable resource.  When is the book coming out?

[chopin-liszt]

I have an answer. 

"Hi Sue,
Happy to help you. It reads: vereinte Lieb, vereinte Kraft dem Hause Glück und Wohlstand schafft.
It's "hause" not "haufe". Hause is an old fashioned poetic word for house, Haufen is a pile - without saying for what it is a polite word for poo.

So it means literally : united love, United power/strength gives fortune and richness to the house. So it means that when you unite your love and strength you'll bring happiness and wellbeing to your home."

I believe Katrin's picked up on the nuance intended, which was why I asked her.

[catshome]

That's brilliant.....please pass on my thanks.  Were they aware of any particular use for the piece?  As in can they remember seeing them in family homes in Germany, if they have visited.

The piece feels c.1900 to me.  Can't assume it's German made either, as the text could be done anywhere.  It rings like a bell......most I have heard ever.....and it keeps going quite a while.  It's quite contradictory as it appears to be a really good quality thing, and the enamel is well done, but the overall look of it seems somewhat "naive"......I think that's the word, or maybe rustic.  If it was fairly mass produced, I'd expect to have been able to find another one.  Maybe it's older and few have survived.  Then again it's not particularly attractive.....the sort of thing someone might inherit with a house and decide to throw out as tastes change over time.

[catshome]

Cannot believe this.....I think I found it.  I was searching for information about a romer, which looked like it would be Theresienthal, and a familiar image popped up in the results.  Link below, text translated via Google reads :

"Grand cup with pinched circulating thread, Theresienthal around 1890-1900
             
Large cup of antique green glass, club-shaped body, solid round with surrounding, applied and pinched glass thread, cylindrical central part with pinched, spirally encircling glass thread, the widened Kuppa optically ribbed, polished mouth rim. Cupola wall with scratches, two rough spots on the pinched foot rim. Crystal glass factory Theresienthal, around 1890-1900.

Height. approx. 25.5 cm, diameter above approx. 13.3 cm."


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Groser-Pokal-mit-gekniffenen-umlaufenden-Faden-Theresienthal-um-1890-1900/233160194493?hash=item36496e39bd:g:6hcAAOSwCU1YzPYb

Looks as though Christine nailed it again regarding it being a drinking vessel.  More work needed now to see if I can find some with enamelled text.

On a roll today lol

[catshome]

Well that didn't take long....another piece attributed to Theresienthal, different shape, and has an additional picture panel, but it also has enamelled text in old german font.

http://antikes-glas.de/theresienthal/grosser-pokal-darstellung-eines-trompeters-theresienthal-1875-p-1748.html

I suspect I will be very unlikely to find a labelled example.  Looking at other pieces online, I can see several with the same foot decoration, and the colour feels right.  Would it be reasonable to conclude its a Theresienthal piece from c.1875-1900?