Topic: Stuart ? Two colour tadpole shade

[fatbelly]

Hi all.
I bought his thinking it may be a steward two colour tadpole piece in the form of a shade.Came with a light fitting that has some age,
Measure just under 8”
Could someone more knowledgable about Stuart perhaps confirm or deny.
Thanks
FB

[chopin-liszt]

I'm afraid I am not very knowledgable about Stuart tadpole lampshades, but I have always admired the shades in the old King's Theatre in Edinburgh, which I believe to be Stuart.
And they're just like this. 
Not all the tadpoles are the same colour in the theatre - where there are an abundance of these fabulous old shades. I suspect they may have had to replace some over the years and were unable to obtain an exact match, but I don't know for sure.

I have tried to track down an image - unfortunately all the shades are lit, so difficult to see. In image 5, when you blow it up, you can see the general shape. (I don't know which image will appear for you.)
https://www.historictheatrephotos.com/Theatre/Kings-Edinburgh.aspx

eta. I've just checked the link. The image that shows the shades shape on enlargement is called
"Auditorium from stage".

I have tried to find out more about the shades in the theatre, but nobody knows much. The theatre itself is 112 years old and has some amazing stained glass everywhere, I believe the shades are original and have been kept even throughout a few refurbishments.
The shades were there 50 years ago. I can personally vouch for that. 
My brother thinks they're Stuart, I think they're Stuart. We have checked them again, fairly recently. 

What else could they be, in an Edinburgh theatre that old?

eta again. I've been searching and searching the web for another image of your shade and cannot find a single one.
The only ones I have seen, are the ones in the King's Theatre. 
They are two-coloured tadpoles on the shades there. The outer colour is amber, but the internal dot is either red or green. (I can't remember if some might have a yellow/amber or a blue dot.)

[fatbelly]

Thanks Chopin.
I have been looking for ages to find a match and I have struggled.Last resort was posting on the board I prefer to research its part of the whole hunt research discover.
Image 53 on the interiors on your link shows a light fitting.I can see it’s similarities for sure..
Will float it online and see is there are any takers.
Thanks again
FB

[chopin-liszt]

If by "any takers" you mean you wish to sell it, why not contact the King's Theatre in Edinburgh and see if they would want it?
It's not as if they don't need replacements for any damaged ones. They might be very grateful indeed.

[flying free]

I think the jury might still be out on these.

See this thread for similar:

https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,49402.msg278564.html#msg278564

I have a vase that's extremely similar to Keith's except my applied pads are the same as those on the lampshades (don't know where the vase is at the mo but the applied pads are two colour,I think iirc a red colour eye and amber surround).

I think they are all from the same maker - but which maker is still the question.

m

[flying free]

Here's mine so you can compare the pads and trails. 
I think the glass and finish is the same and so are the trails and pads except mine are amber trails and surrounds with a red eye in the middle.

https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,40152.msg222172.html#msg222172

[flying free]

There was a Stuart decoration with trails and pads, that look remarkably similar to your  shade and my vase, called The "New Green Jewel'' Decoration by Harrods. 
However the applied trails and pads were I think clear and probably dark green eye (the catalogue is black and white) and the body of the glass possibly coloured green.  In addition the style of the glass collection is mostly straight compared to the kind of torque twisted ribbed version of your lamp and my vase and the trails were straight not twisted.  But.. they may have adapted that later to encompass different colours and mixed coloured trails and pads on an iridescent base glass I suppose.  That said,I've never seen a Stuart piece in this kind of iridescent glass.

Also worth pondering just in case, that Stevens and Williams also did applied pads and trails and they had a specialist lighting department as well.

[chopin-liszt]

The amber on your Kralik is a much deeper colour, brownier.
And the body glass itself is a lot thinner, but that's more likely to be the fact that one is a vase and one is a lampshade.
The shades are satinated, not iridescent.
The amber on the OPs and in the theatre is much more yellow. I have seen them unlit, (when bulbs were gone).
I am very, very attached to the ones in the King's, m.  I last admired them on January 31st.

That doesn't mean that they are Stuart. 
Stevens and Williams could be considered. 
But we've never considered Kralik when studying them.
There must be literally hundreds of shades there. That's one of the really impressive things about them - such a massive collection of fabulous old glass, still in use. But with oddities, such as all the tadpoles not matching, and the "not matching" is random. As if some have been replaced but they couldn't get the right colour. My brother is better at Stuart than I am and he's fairly sure.
We do not have confirmation, we cannot be sure until we do. 
I'm all excited about this thread. Sorry if I keep going on my one track and thanks for bringing in other ideas!

[flying free]

Sue the jury is still out on my 'verre de soie' (I think that is what it is called) vase. It may or may not be Kralik.
I think the differing colours are just part of the series. Mine is amber with red eyes, the shade in this instance looks to be a more citrine colour with green eyes.
I'm leaning away from S&W really based on the trails but just thought I'd throw it in because they did do applied trails and as I say, they had a lighting department.
m

[chopin-liszt]

The shades in the theatre are much more citrine. There are not too many with red eyed tadpoles, they are mostly green. I think there might be some with citrine eyes. I'll check next time I go.