Topic: Jacobean pattern egg cups or salts with unusual everted rims

[catshome]

Following on from a recent thread (https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,68715.0.html), I thought it best to start a new one for these, rather than continue to hijack Keith's thread.

These are the set of six pieces I mentioned seeing - it was a lovely day for an outing on Friday!  Now that I have them, I am glad I made the trip back, although there are now even more questions. 

I always thought pressed/moulded glass pieces were pretty uniform - these appear to have been made in a three part mould.  However, these vary a little in height - c.2.5", the rims are wonderfully wonky, and the weights are : 116g, 2@122g, 126g, 134g and 136g.  I suspect the weight variations may be due to the variations in the rims. 

The cuts to the base of the feet are roughly the same on 5 of them and very different on 1 (see below), but the feet are identical in size and there are some good wear marks on some. 

I'm leaning towards them being table salts, although they do look cute as egg cups.  I suspect they were difficult to produce consistently, and probably more expensive to produce, and that may be why there appear to be so few around. 

It would be interesting to know who made them - they feel Edwardian to me.

[catshome]

base - 5 bases like the top picture, one like the second.  Bases 0.25" thick and polished.  The slight texture apparent in the third picture is coming through from the finish on the top surface of the foot.

[Paul S.]

they're great, aren't they , and I'd agree more likely to be salts than egg cups.            They have similar rectangular lenses as the standard Lord/Jacobean style, though I've never seen aforesaid make with turned-over rims like these.
I remember Pamela Wessendorf saying in conversation some few years back that there had been other Continental makes with a similar lens-like surface pattern, and differentiating between the different makes was difficult, but I forget now who the other makers were.
Dating, based on appearance can be misleading  -  for example, the Czechosovakian Lord design was still being produced as recently as twenty years ago - the result of a very successful design, and perhaps even possible that Davidson knocked them out pre WW II.         
If this was a Lord/Jacobean design we might remain in the dark since we don't have a comprehensive catalogue for all c. 275 different shapes etc.,
though it's possible that one of the catalogues that Pamela has posted might contain a bigger selection, and others here might have good information regarding Davidson's output.
Obviously they're pressed, so my comments about this shape not being possible for pressed glass were wrong.

Sorry can't help, but agree it was worth the journey - they may well be quite rare. 

[catshome]

Will have a proper read of your comments after dinner, Paul.  Just popped back as I missed a picture off

[catshome]

I thought perhaps the feet might be the best clue to differentiate between makers. I know some of the Davidson cloud bowls had everted rims, but they appear to be uniform rather than a bit wonky.  Maybe they are made using two techniques.  Bet someone on the board will know.

My thoughts on date were based on the very flat, polished bases.  Not wishing to generalise, but I associate that with much of the Edwardian glass I have seen/owned - particularly with the star cut centre.

[Paul S.]

as we've said elsewhere, this type of mirror finish to the underside of the foot was certainly a characteristic of the Lord pieces from Rudolfova hut (Czechoslovakia), though when Davidson made the same thing and called them Jacobean, they dropped this feature - so always possibly these are Czech. examples of Lord pattern.

I'm unsure that flat feet with cut centre stars were peculiarity of early C20 - could be wrong but thought I'd seen such things from other periods, but you could be right.

[Mosquito]

Inwald catalogues do show this pattern with the turned down rim. It's no. 7658 in the 1928 catalogue: http://opensalts.us/References/Catalogs/Czech/CZE-Inwald1928-cW.jpg

[Paul S.]

thanks for that confirmation  -  remarkable that these six should have been found on one occasion.         I've seen many of both the Lord and Jacobean patterns, though to date not this particular one.

[catshome]

Steven, you are officially a superstar!  Thank you.  I tried a search for catalogues, but didn't find that image.

Another mystery solved, and a lot more learnt thanks to you and Paul.

It would still be interesting to know how they did the rims though......

[Lustrousstone]

Manually after pressing probably