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Author Topic: Red / Orange Cheese Dome/ Butter Dish - Cloud Glass? Victorian?  (Read 1866 times)

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Offline Sherraa02

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Red / Orange Cheese Dome/ Butter Dish - Cloud Glass? Victorian?
« on: January 25, 2020, 07:02:23 PM »
Hi everyone,

Thanks in advance and  I really hope someone can help me - I have this beautiful cheese dome (I think) and I have no idea about the age of it or the manufacturer.

I've looked at the glass identification information and the closest thing I can find is Cloud Glass but it doesn't seem quite right.

I got it along with some Davidson Pearline glassware so I think it might be the same era and it does look to be a similar style.

There is no maker's mark or manufacturer mark or pattern number.

I've tried searching google but I can't come up with anything even similar.

The base measures 19.5cm across and the top measures 14cm across. The lid is about 12-13cm high.

So if anyone can tell me anything about it at all, I would really appreciate it!!  :)

Thanks so much!

Anna

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Re: Red / Orange Cheese Dome/ Butter Dish - Cloud Glass? Victorian?
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2020, 10:50:23 PM »
hello Ana - welcome to the GMB.               I've seen this colour before  -  the slightly dull/matte surface with different shade underneath, but for the life of me can't now remember where.
Not that I have any knowledge of culinary matters, but I'd assumed cheese dishes were rectangular often with a wedge shaped lid, and that butters were always round  -  but who knows, perhaps it is for cheese.

Hopefully someone here will have the answer for you.

P.S.  As a very slightly educated guess, this fading to the pale under-colour is reminiscent of the effect produced in Schlevogt glass - the original colour was green - similar to malachite.                  Apparently this stuff also comes in other colours, including a reddish shade, so might be worth having a look in that direction.           The origin is/was Czechoslovakia, and it found fame in the art deco period from memory

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Re: Red / Orange Cheese Dome/ Butter Dish - Cloud Glass? Victorian?
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2020, 07:26:52 PM »
It's a butter dish rather than a cheese dish IMO. Cheese domes are much larger

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Re: Red / Orange Cheese Dome/ Butter Dish - Cloud Glass? Victorian?
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2020, 07:31:04 PM »
Thanks Christine - and what is your opinion of my suggestion of an appearance similar to the toning in Schlevogt pieces  -  darker on the high areas and paler below?

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Re: Red / Orange Cheese Dome/ Butter Dish - Cloud Glass? Victorian?
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2020, 02:28:33 PM »
cheese 'domes' are indeed much larger, as Lustrousstone says  -  no idea as to when the more modern wedge-shape of the cheese dish came into being.                           Anyone interested in de-cyphering the shapes of Victorian butters, cheese domes, sardine boxes etc. etc., would find the U.K. reprint of Silber & Fleming catalogue (original dated c. 1880) - or the States equivalent reprint edited by Dorothy Bosomworth - very useful.              There's usually a few copies on Abe Books.                  The contents are an Aladdin's cave of domestic table and kitchen ware items in ceramic, pottery and glass.

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Re: Red / Orange Cheese Dome/ Butter Dish - Cloud Glass? Victorian?
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2020, 05:54:15 PM »
Guys, thanks for all your help.

I think I've identified this as Mosser glass, as they seem to make an identical mould. Unfortunately I guess this means it's not as old as I thought it was, however I still think the colour is very unusual and it's a lovely piece.

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Re: Red / Orange Cheese Dome/ Butter Dish - Cloud Glass? Victorian?
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2020, 06:10:57 PM »
It is a fascinating piece, I was clueless but watching.  :)
What it reminds me of, a little bit, is the really old and amazing Hyalith forms of glass - I suspect it may have been inspired a little by those.

Here's a pic of an Egermann Hyalith jug.  :)

http://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O2496/jug-egermann-friedrich/

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Re: Red / Orange Cheese Dome/ Butter Dish - Cloud Glass? Victorian?
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2020, 06:47:58 PM »
Hi Anna  -  always good to hear of what appears to be a successful attribution  -  well done.              Just for the sake us thickies who were unable to help on this occasion, are you able to let us know the source of your Moser attribution/provenance - book or on-line source etc.

I know virtually nothing about Moser, but had an idea they started way back in the first half of the C19  -  not, of course, that this fact suggests your cheese dish is C19 in origin :)

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Re: Red / Orange Cheese Dome/ Butter Dish - Cloud Glass? Victorian?
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2020, 06:58:44 PM »
If you do an image search for "Mosser covered dish", several examples turn up, in different colours. I've found plain clear red, deep purple carnival and uranium with opalesence.
The pattern is called Cherry and Thumbprint. It appears to be well known - I think most Mosser items are - they have a collector following.
I haven't checked with any Mosser catalogue yet, I can't find one on-line that I can use any more.
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Re: Red / Orange Cheese Dome/ Butter Dish - Cloud Glass? Victorian?
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2020, 07:39:08 PM »
Hi Anna  -  always good to hear of what appears to be a successful attribution  -  well done.              Just for the sake us thickies who were unable to help on this occasion, are you able to let us know the source of your Moser attribution/provenance - book or on-line source etc.

I know virtually nothing about Moser, but had an idea they started way back in the first half of the C19  -  not, of course, that this fact suggests your cheese dish is C19 in origin :)

Mosser not Moser, Paul. Mosser is an American company http://www.mosserglass.com/
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Mosser Glass is a company making handmade glass, founded in Cambridge, Ohio, in 1970 by Thomas R. Mosser.
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