Topic: Czech glass vases?

[bat20]

I really don't know much about silver marks ,but I think there's a lion ,letter C and leopard,so guessing this gives a date of 1898?,although I'm not certain order changes things.The year of the first automobile fatality in the world.

[Paul S.]

can't see your picture of the marks very clearly - the letter 'c' occurs in more than one form over the past 120 odd years  -  it occurs in 1898/99 as you've suggested, as a plain lower case letter  -  then again 1918/1919 inn lower case but looking more gothic - and once more in plain upper case in 1938/1939.
The lion and the leopard are included for London whatever the year.
Are you able to read the maker's initials on the collar  -  perhaps try cleaning the metal around the marks so that the dirt remains only within the marks - this might make for a little more contrast.
If the date letter is a lower case 'c' then you will be correct with your suggestion of 1898 for the metalwork, and presumably the glass will not have been made before that date, so looks like the glass was - either made in the U.K., or imported into the U.K. where the U.K. made collar was then fitted.
Looks like we don't know if the piece in the link has any marks on the metalwork.

Have a feeling I remember seeing that the first U.K. fatality re automobile accident was something like mid 1920s.

[bat20]

Henry Linfield from Brighton in an electric automobile in 1898,unless it's a internet myth?.I would guess they were stamped on arrival from abroad?,and came in pairs as only one has a mark.I will try to get a clearer pic of the 'c'/'C',I didn't know it was there until I expanded the photo.

[bat20]

Ok !,forget about poor old Henry Linfield,I've found marks on both now and I would say it' a q ,1911.plus a D.L Mark ?

[Paul S.]

agree, it does look like lower case 'q'.              The most likely candidate, for a London maker, and bearing in mind the absence of contour around the initials (not in a cartouche), appears to be Schindler & Co. (David Loebl), who apparently had their origins in Germany before transferring to U.K.               At this sort of date we're heading toward the late period of art nouveau.

Oh, I don't know  -  why should we forget about poor old Henry Linfield?   he appears to hold a most unique place in the history of the automobile world.

[bat20]

There's a bit of contour around one 'D',I wonder how easy it's going to be to find out which glass company he bought through?I won't forget about Henry,in fact I live near Brighton and would like to find out which hill he had his unfortunate accident on,there are some very steep one around?,if it did happen around here,it only says he was from Brighton.



https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Henry_Lindfield

[bat20]

David Loebl did import Rinsdskopf glass in 1911,but I don't know if he traded with anyone else?

https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/114916-rindskopf-green-and-yellow-marbled-vase

[bat20]

Interesting snippet from the comments on the article,although only supposition

Michelleb007 Michelleb007, 5 years ago
Lisa, I personally wouldn't use the date on a silver collar to date a vase, but it can be used as a good estimate, particularly if it is an earlier date. For example, a Rindskopf with a silver collar dating to 1905 is probably a good indicator that the collar was applied quite close to the making of the vase. However, a Rindskopf with a collar date of 1923 (when Rindskopf's main production was by that time pressed glass) could have been made even ten years earlier, and then the collar applied prior to it actually being sold in an English store.

[Paul S.]

good sleuthing  -  IMHO there is a more than 50/50 chance that the importer, in London, was Loebl/Lobl who, prior to 1918 and before the advent of Czechoslovakia, was bringing glass in from Rindskopf in Germany - and possibly other Continental sources.
This not really not my area  -  did Rindskopf become Czechoslovakian after 1918, and go on to make pressed glass in the main?

your correspondent from five years back is obviously correct, and you can't relate a silver date to a glass date exactly  -  and it's always possible that such pieces might have sat on a factory shelf for twelve months, but it's true that it will provide a close enough date for our purposes.
The décor on these vases does appear to have a art nouveau appearance, so the date letter of 1911 looks to be reasonably accurate.

You may not find a definite provenance for Rindskopf, unless someone comes up with a catalogue page showing this pattern/design.

[glassobsessed]

I would agree with Rindskopf as very likely, they had their own aesthetic and to my eye this fits.  Another clue is the colour palette used, this may be a bit of red herring but the mix of greens etc seem fairly typical.

That wavy pattern is not exclusive but here it is again, this time far more densely packed on a vase dated 1905.