Topic: Striped Blown Glass Vase Identification needed Please

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to English Weather:

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To Ekimp:

It's difficult.  It's very hard to compare canes off a screen or picture.  The way they've been cased in clear or if they've not been cased in clear, how they've been laid on to the piece etc.  It's really hard to compare and errors of judgement can be made without having them both in hand.

The size of the base of the piece should not make it difficult to do a large polished pontil mark almost to the edge. I have a cameo piece, tiny, that is in debate/research (was told probably Bohemian but I think it's definitely French) that has a large polished pontil mark right to the edge and it's very small.  Probably 2.5cm diameter or less on the base.

This picture of my little cameo piece shows the green overlay showing through the base in speckles - so isn't the best to demonstrate that, despite the snapped off little mark in the middle still showing, it has a large concave polished pontil mark almost right to the edge of the base.  It's a tiny piece 9cm tall with a tiny footed base:

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=59117.0;attach=169530;image

[English weather]

No, not al all concave, the base is very flat!

Whilst I don't have the item in front of me and you do, I question your, "very flat" observation. If the base were "very flat" then there would be wear all over the flat surface where as I am guessing, because I can't tell from your pictures, that there is no evidence of wear to the base because the wear point is the very narrow edge of the rim.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

[Ekimp]

To Ekimp:.....

Thanks.

[Yxeli]

Whilst I don't have the item in front of me and you do, I question your, "very flat" observation. If the base were "very flat" then there would be wear all over the flat surface where as I am guessing, because I can't tell from your pictures, that there is no evidence of wear to the base because the wear point is the very narrow edge of the rim.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

You are absolutely right that there is no wear and tear on the base apart from the large chip in the middle. the only tiny chips are on the very edges.

Well, maybe your right actually, if my eyes aren't deceiving me, and im using my thumb to run across the base to feel if there is an indent, maybe just a very slight concave but nearly imperceptable.. theredoesn't seem to be any change in the light reflection on the base if you know what i mean...no curve to the light refelction I dont think :/ ??

[Yxeli]

Here's some pictures??

https://ibb.co/6cQzZ6y
https://ibb.co/pvZbrd7

[flying free]

can you please upload your pictures directly to the Glass Message Board ?
If you have problems please contact the moderator.  Many thanks.

m

[English weather]

No said the "concave" was dramatic

It is often very subtle especially on the smaller pieces.

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I'd forgotten and just to ensure incorrect views don't get passed on:

Annathal bei Schuttenhofen Glas and I think Adolfshutte bei Winterberg and also Buquoy all used large polished pontil marks in the Biedermeier period.  All Bohemian makers.
So it's not a specifically French preserve.
However I don't think any were known for their filigrana/canes.

I still think this is more likely French than Bohemian because of the base finish and the shape.

m

[English weather]

Stevens & Williams produced a large polished pontil especially during the 1920-30's period but a large pontil was not the point.

Additionally, I don't say no one else polished the bases as on these Clichy vases.

On the small vase we are discussing, the polishing on the base goes right to the very edge of the rim and so it is more than just polishing the pontil, it is by artistic design. I do not recall if this base polishing goes to the rim on larger Clichy vases of this technique.

[flying free]

yes I know what you mean - I have a number of S&W pieces and they do have a large polished pontil - in comparison to what we might see as a the usual polished pontil average size, but the S&W are nowhere near right to the edge.
The Bohemian makers I've mentioned however, polished almost to the edge of the piece and in comparing a couple of the pieces I own to an early (c.1820s) French piece from Bercy there is really no difference in the polished base finish. 
Although actually if I'm being picky none, including the Bercy piece, are absolutely right to the very edge, which my little cameo piece is and presumably so is the OPs.