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Author Topic: Striped Blown Glass Vase Identification needed Please  (Read 5461 times)

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Re: Striped Blown Glass Vase Identification needed Please
« Reply #60 on: January 22, 2022, 07:13:40 PM »
Mildly confusing in that you say, "there is really no difference in the polished base finish" and in the next sentence, "if I'm being picky none, including the Bercy piece, are absolutely right to the very edge"....is that not different then?

Can't say I can make out from the picture of the cameo that it has a polished base. Actually looks like not polished at all from the picture posted.....but then I don't have it in front of me and you do.

Can't say I know of "Bercy" glass, (or is it the designer?). Do you have any details you can share...please :)

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Re: Striped Blown Glass Vase Identification needed Please
« Reply #61 on: January 22, 2022, 10:24:20 PM »
Cristallerie de Bercy

Enjoy :)

http://www.culture.fr/collections/resultats?keywords=CRISTALLERIE+DE+BERCY

They are from c.1820s



This is a great book - highly recommend - In French 'Baguiers et verres a boires cu XIXeme siecle', Leon Darnis

http://www.verre-histoire.org/2014/12/24/baguiers-et-verres-a-boires-du-xixe-siecle-par-leon-darnis/

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Re: Striped Blown Glass Vase Identification needed Please
« Reply #62 on: January 22, 2022, 10:30:48 PM »
With regard to the polished base - mmm, they do have a highly polished lightly concave pontil marks nearly right to the edge. There is a tiny rim showing on both the French and the Bohemian pieces and actually probably slightly more on the French ... but not like the rim showing on say, an S&W piece.  The pontil mark is nearly the entire base but not quite.
But the cameo does have it polished absolutely almost right to the edge - slightly concave and at first I just thought the cracked off pontil rod mark in the middle was it, until I felt it and look under light and realised it had been polished over but not quite enough to remove the remains of the rough spot left by removing the pontil. 
Presumably not thick enough glass to polish it deep enough, so it's a shallow concave right to the edge but the mark is left.

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Re: Striped Blown Glass Vase Identification needed Please
« Reply #63 on: January 23, 2022, 02:16:37 AM »
Out of interest, are you able to picture the base across the plane so as to show the polished base.

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Re: Striped Blown Glass Vase Identification needed Please
« Reply #64 on: January 23, 2022, 02:07:47 PM »
Example of a non Clichy filigree and ribbon bottle

Glass is slightly grey compared to Clichy.

Foot and rim are "lumpy"..rim is distorted

Glass is bubbly

Base is concaved but not polished concaved. Polished pontil.

Last picture is of the top

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Re: Striped Blown Glass Vase Identification needed Please
« Reply #65 on: January 23, 2022, 02:20:11 PM »
Interesting comparison here for research?  - Josephinenhutte with an applied foot and also the thin striped white cane with 5 thin white stripes:

https://antikes-glas.de/en/josephinenhuette/glass-vase-with-white-threads-lace-filigree-josephine-glasworks-p-535.html


And a one with the plain single blue and white canes showing the base photographs:

https://antikes-glas.de/josephinenhuette/vase-blauen-weissen-baendern-josephinenhuette-1850-p-257.html

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Re: Striped Blown Glass Vase Identification needed Please
« Reply #66 on: January 23, 2022, 04:11:24 PM »
I am finding it hard to understand why it is only on Antikes Glas Neuwirth and Dr. Ficsher Auctions (he being a dealer as well as an auctioneer) that we find this glassware attributed to Josephinhuette whilst all other references I find say Clichy/St. Louis and occasionally Baccarat.

Perhaps both streams of information are both right and wrong with cross mis-representation on both sides.

I have so far not seen any museum held examples of Josephinhuette spiral tapes vases or bottles where as I have seen Clichy, St. Louis and Baccarat examples .

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Re: Striped Blown Glass Vase Identification needed Please
« Reply #67 on: January 23, 2022, 04:49:28 PM »
Just adding a link to some further information here on Millefiori paperweights from Riesengebirge and Isergebirge:
https://www.paperweights.com/paperweights/bk_kordasiewicz1.htm

'Glass Paperweights: The Heritage of the 19th Century Riesengebirge and Isergebirge Glassworks
by Marek Kordasiewicz

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Re: Striped Blown Glass Vase Identification needed Please
« Reply #68 on: January 23, 2022, 05:04:19 PM »
I am finding it hard to understand why it is only on Antikes Glas Neuwirth and Dr. Ficsher Auctions (he being a dealer as well as an auctioneer) that we find this glassware attributed to Josephinhuette whilst all other references I find say Clichy/St. Louis and occasionally Baccarat.

Perhaps both streams of information are both right and wrong with cross mis-representation on both sides.

I have so far not seen any museum held examples of Josephinhuette spiral tapes vases or bottles where as I have seen Clichy, St. Louis and Baccarat examples .


This roemer, just as an example, is not 'attributed to', it is identified as being from Josephinenhutte.  The source is:
Lit: S. Zelasko. Josephinenhütte 1842-1900, Seite 180.
https://antikes-glas.de/josephinenhuette/roemer-eingeschlossenen-spiralfaeden-blau-weiss-josephinenhuette-1850-p-3424.html

Here is a picture of Dr Stefania Zelasko:
https://jeleniagora.naszemiasto.pl/ksiaznica-karkonoska-promocja-ksiazki-dr-stefanii-zelasko/ar/c13-2483707


Here is a video of the collection in the Muzeum Karkonoska - see 3.18 for filigrana examples.  But do watch the whole thing.  It's an amazing collection with an interesting presenter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA76fZZlJcg


You're welcome to the links my research has provided for you :)  both here and on the French Museum site for Bercy examples :)

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Re: Striped Blown Glass Vase Identification needed Please
« Reply #69 on: January 23, 2022, 06:08:49 PM »
see my post above and also
this information from Source reference: Paperweights 101, Doris B. Robinson
scroll down to page 26 on the link for a little more information on Bohemian and Silesian paperweights 19th century

https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/PAPERWEIGHTS_101/NpQkAwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=riesengebirge+paperweight&pg=PA26&printsec=frontcover

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