Topic: Very old blue coffee mug

[BlueOctopus]

I just had a bottle of wine, so my English is drowning in red wine. I try to understand all the informations tommorow. 
But I buy this book.
I did not see the comparison because of the blue color, the painting seemed to me from the same feather. But this „ child painting“ is easily made from everybody.

[BlueOctopus]

Thank you to all of you, trying to solve the secret of this spa coffee mug

[flying free]

yes,the painting design could be from many hands.
The Musterbuch shows a number of designs that are similar.
The Band II also shows that this white enamel feather painting was 'in vogue' on various items around that period, not just on the blue opaque glass items.

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[BlueOctopus]

I just found this, and I really didn‘t know that opaline glass could be older then 1820

https://www.auctions-fischer.de/catalogues/online-catalogues/266-ii-european-glass-studio-glass.html?L=1&kategorie=99&artikel=80061&L=1&cHash=7736b5caab

Monika

[flying free]

Yes there are some beautiful milchglas pieces around.
See also Miotti Italian glass.  Examples here:

http://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O4218/dish-miotti-glasshouse/

https://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O1267/plate-miotti-glasshouse/

[BlueOctopus]

Do you have an idea where I certainly can find out what this is and how old it is? In the moment it is all expectation.
Monika

[flying free]

You could try the Passau Glasmuseum and see if they answer you and maybe they might have something more specific.

My knowledge is very limited and I am always open to correction on any of my thoughts.
The reasons I thought it might be around the 1820s is because:
 1) it appears to have a type of molded base and I am not sure that would have been a  base finish from an earlier period
2) it is of a blue glass that I have seen similar on different pieces from that period and
3) the enamel decoration is also seen on pieces from around that period.

I also think it is probably made and decorated in Bohemia but perhaps for the German or Swiss market because of the shape maybe?

The shape is similar to the one you linked to from Fischer Auctions but I don't think the shape alone would put it in an much earlier period if you see what I mean?

Sometimes it takes years for information to come to the surface and for pieces to be identified.  I don't know if you will get a specific maker but it should be possible to pin down a time frame and country.

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[BlueOctopus]

I wrote to Passau, lets see what will Happen, I doubt that they will answer
Monika

[BlueOctopus]

The book arrived yesterday, I‘m more and more convinced that we are on the right path. It is very old round about 1820 and I think bohemian. Only the English remember me in the Medaillon confuses a bit
Monik

[flying free]

Maybe because it will have been made for export or to be bought as a souvenir.  It might have been made for the English speaking market originally and gilded in Bohemia, or exported and then gilded on arrival at destination.

Enjoy the book ... and hunting for new glass once you have seen all the other pieces in the book

m