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Author Topic: Georgian decanter copy?  (Read 3915 times)

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Offline flying free

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Re: Georgian decanter copy?
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2013, 03:59:52 PM »
thanks they are much better.
I suppose it is very difficult to tell without holding the actual glass but the glass doesn't look 'new' to me.
I had a bit more of an investigation on the glass site I linked to and found that someone has said these glasses (the shape that is - they were referring to a post where someone had put on three glasses in that shape but only one had the oak leaf decoration) were made in Sweden, Denmark and Norway and also England (the glass shape I showed on a previous link).
Doing some more investigating I indeed have found one with the acorn/oak decoration, in a Glass museum, which is apparently from Holmegaard 1865
http://www.glashistoriskselskab.dk/index.php/Glashistorisk-Museum/Drikkeglas/Matslebne-glas/Holmegaard-1865-993
There is another with the oak decoration from Conradsminde 1840
http://www.glashistoriskselskab.dk/index.php/Glashistorisk-Museum/Drikkeglas/Matslebne-glas/Conradsminde-1840-996
This one from Mylenburg 1860
http://www.glashistoriskselskab.dk/index.php/Glashistorisk-Museum/Drikkeglas/Matslebne-glas/Mylenberg-1860-1003
this one from Aalborg 1870
http://www.glashistoriskselskab.dk/index.php/Glashistorisk-Museum/Drikkeglas/Matslebne-glas/Aalborg-1870-1011

So  ... I can't translate the site, but it seems they may have been made in various places latter half 19th century  with that type of oak leaf and acorn decoration.  Your decanter doesn't look new to me ... perhaps it is Scandinavian and dates to latter half 19th.  Perhaps there might be a way of investigating Holmegaard to start with?
The link to the site is here below - if you go to the right hand side, the functions of the various objects are there for you to click on and then they should show.     http://www.glashistoriskselskab.dk/index.php/Glashistorisk-Museum/Drikkeglas/Matslebne-glas/start=4#category

Again there is a page of decanters that look similar to yours although on quick glance I couldnt' find a plain version the same as yours
This one is Mylenburg 1850
http://www.glashistoriskselskab.dk/index.php/Glashistorisk-Museum/Karafler-og-Klukflasker/Karafler/Karafler-1853-2000/Fastblaest-1855-421

http://www.glashistoriskselskab.dk/index.php/Glashistorisk-Museum/Karafler-og-Klukflasker/Karafler/Karafler-1853-2000/start=1#category

I hope this is fruitful :)   I feel your decanter originates from Scandinavia - it might be earlier than later perhaps?

Edited to add:
having  read some more  here
1) post no 7 I think I've translated that these oak leaf glasses  dates to 1800's in Scandinavia not earlier
http://precisensan.com/antikforum/showthread.php?35016-GJ%D8VIK-EMPIR-GLASS-Eller-hva

and also Holmegaard started production in 1825. 

And by the way - thank go to the poster 'Banden' on the Precisensan board for all the links and information.  I would never have found them without that information.
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Re: Georgian decanter copy?
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2013, 07:37:28 PM »
A big thank you m and to Banden,i always think fir trees when Scandinavia countries are mentioned though oak probably burns for longer in a glass furnace maybe the inspiration for the decoration,I'll keep delving and keep the board up dated,maybe a post on one of their forums ? I'LL SHOUT THEN THEY'LL UNDERSTAND ME  ;)thanks again..

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Re: Georgian decanter copy?
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2013, 05:24:43 PM »
I think this maybe another Gjovik piece,it looks similar to Karve's post on m's,flying free,reply 18.It is bright glass broken pontil and alot of rustic tooling,also of interest i hope a high pitched ping when flicked similar to some comparatively modern good quality liqueur glasses i have.I know the Swedes had a history of home distiling so maybe the other Scandi countries did as well and these are made for some pokey stuff you wouldn't want to much of. 8)

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Re: Georgian decanter copy?
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2013, 06:00:58 PM »
favour?  can you post clear pics including
A close up of the engraving so it and the detail (or not)can be seen please?
Also a pic of the pontil mark/base?
A side on profile pic of the glass?

thanks so much :)
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Re: Georgian decanter copy?
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2013, 06:11:43 PM »
Sorry can't find my magnifying glass,bleeding kids,but i did mean to post thisone ::)

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Re: Georgian decanter copy?
« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2020, 04:07:49 PM »
The Victoria and Albert has one as Holmegaard c1840-1860. They also agree with the possibilities in Flying Free’s links in Reply #20. V&A say “...the patterns of oak leaves and vine leaves are known to have been produced by the Holmegaard, Conradsminde (1834-1857) and Mylenberg (1852-1863) glassworks.”
http://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O1463286/decanter-holmegaard/
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Re: Georgian decanter copy?
« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2020, 08:49:36 AM »
These decanters were made in US early 19th century by various glass works like NEGC etc copying Irish decanters from Georgian period. The ones I've had have similar crude decoration, weird moulded stoppers, moulded bases with added vertical lines to emulate said Irish decanters and are made of a non lead glass.

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Re: Georgian decanter copy?
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2020, 07:46:51 PM »
Looking at it, it's shape and proportions do not persuade me that this one is other than mid/late Victorian at the best, and as pointed out above, it could be a bit later. I don't think it has enough 'presence' to be the Georgian decanter it would purport to be. I hazard a guess that it's origin might not have been in Great Britain. German perhaps?

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