Topic: Royal Brierley Graal !!!!!

[keith]

Bit out of reach of my pocket money but Christmas is coming and who knows ! 
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ROYAL-BRIERLEY-Made-Fish-Graal-Orrefors-Copy-Museum-Dispersal-Piece/381835580990?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D38661%26meid%3Dd7022fbb500345a7b26592969603d70c%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D371787608708

[flying free]

weirdly reminiscent of this
http://www.antiquehelper.com/item/318379

I'm a bit curious about it, as the way it is done is very similar to my face box.  It looks a little different to graal vases seen online.  It reminds me of another maker (memory fails me at the mo) German large pieces with colourful internal decoration... ah yes Jonolyth/Jonalyth?.  It reminds me a little of those in technique.
http://www.morganstricklandantiques.com/antique-items/art-deco-internally-decorated-jonolyth-glass-vase-by-ernst-hantich-co-gm606/


I can't remember whether my box being graal was discussed or whether it was thought a different technique might have been used.

m

[keith]

I think the ones in the links you posted are better than the RB'y one but I'd still like it, if it was a BIT cheaper ! 

[flying free]

I deleted half my post
It doesn't appeal to me ... 
There is some truly fabulous graal out there though. 

I'm really interested in the technique used.  Is there is a primary source of evidence that it was done in the graal technique?
It looks quite different to the graal vases I can see, but very similar to the Jonolyth vases and my box.

m

[keith]

I have no idea how these things are made, I have enough trouble finding out where it all comes from  might ask Vic Banforth although I'm sure there are people here who know 

[David E]

Graal is a pattern marvered onto the glass, then cased - like Vic Bamforth's glass. This does look like Graal to me.

[flying free]

David, I was confused about your comment about 'marvered' onto the glass.
This link appears to me give a different description but that might be because I do not understand glass terms properly  :
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242419

quote 'Graal Technique is glass that is blown twice. The glass is made with a color overlay that is cut, etched or sandblasted with a decoration. The piece is subjected again to the heat of the furnace for fluidity and smoothness. Then the piece is encased in clear class and polished.*'

Another description here:
http://www.glassfromsweden.com/orrefors-graal-glass.html
'In the graal technique a colored layer of glass is encased by a transparent layer of glass. The glass is then allowed to cool down and when it is cold the design is applied by engraving or etching. The obtained “stock” of “blank” piece of glass is then carefully reheated and blown into its final shape. During this process the sharp edges of the design become smooth and the motive becomes more soft and blurred, giving it its typical Graal aspect.'

Just bumping my face box to see if there are similarities in technique?
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,37027.msg202114.html#msg202114

[David E]

I stand corrected. I thought marvered colours were part of the graal technique.

[David E]

I even have an incalmo and graal piece made by Vic's brother Ian... D'oh

[flying free]

Internally decorated glass is fascinating whichever technique

Your Graal piece sounds beautiful.  (Pics please?)

I'm very curious as to how my box lid was made.  Some of it looks as though material was used to create the netted bubble effect of the face, but the lines around it look as though they were drawn on and inked somehow as with the eyes and other dark bubbles.

It was bought in Denmark (wonders quietly if Picasso ever went to Denmark  )

There does appear to be a slight difference in the way the pattern has been made in the Brierley vase and the way it's made in say the Orrefors pieces.  But it might just be the way it presents rather than the technique being different.

m