Topic: Edward Moore RD.58275 - jug & sugar in "Caramel"

[Anne E.B.]

For interest, two very nice pieces made by Edward Moore & Co. both with impressed RD.58275 (7th October 1886), in their "Caramel" colour.
The footed bowl is described as a "sugar" on a website of English glass, but is shown in flint. 
I've never come across this colour before.  Its quite delicious

Please feel free to put it in the Gallery

[Paul S.]

very nice indeed Anne - Mr. Green here             Lattimore shows a picture of the sugar in caramel, and says 'rare'.

[agincourt17]

Very desirable, Anne.

Here is how they usually seen - clear glass, with a comport and two-handled bowl in the same pattern.

(Permission for the re-use of the image of the creamer on the GMB granted by trebor3944, and the pedestal sugar or sweetmeat by greenpeace2010).

The only other colour that I have seen Edward Moore pieces in is an opaque white.

Fred.

[Sid]

Moore also made an interesting blue-green opaque glass.

Sid

[Paul S.]

thanks Sid.              According to Slack, Moore patented two new colours in March 1887  -  one was patent No. 4822 for the colour which we now call caramel brown - presumably the same colour of Anne's pieces above.

The other patent is No. 4821 and was described by Ed. Moore as "an opaque glass of a soft shade of green ....similar to what is termed 'Celadon' in porcelain manufacture...........   I believe he later called this colour 'Eau de Nil', and the specification shows this to have contained uranium oxide.

Might this be the colour you mention?

[neilh]

I guess you mean this colour - I originally thought these matched a Molineaux Webb pattern but all the evidence now points to Moore.

[Paul S.]

nice pieces Neil, but regret I'm unable to say if your colour is the 'blue-green' which Sid mentions  -  don't believe I've ever seen it in the flesh.
If Edward Moore likened the shade of his patented colour to celadon, then possibly not.                     
I'd always thought of celadon as verring more to green, and this appears to be confirmed by the fact that Moore seemed to settle on calling his new colour 'Eau de Nil'.               I could be wrong, but in view of the uranium content, then presumably it would fluoresce, and might be more of a pale yellowish green, but really not sure.

As Sid had mentioned this colour, was wondering if he is able to show a piece  

[Glen]

And of course, Moore made uranium (yellow-green "vaseline") too.

Nice pieces, Anne. Congratulations!

GT

[Sid]

Hello

I don't have an example to post because Neil (curse him! LOL!) outbid me for the set he posted above but that is the colour I was talking about.   Both the caramel and the blue/green can be found in a range of shades indicating that colour control was a challenge for Moore.

Sid

p.s. Neil, I still have room for that set on my shelves ... and that terrible colour clashes with all that Manchester glass... and Christmas is coming...

[Paul S.]

could well be wrong, but I remain to be convinced that Neil's pieces are Moore's 'eau de nil'...........I'm well aware that colour control was an imperfect art, which is why factories had clauses to protect them from disputes over variations.               This matter is complicated by the fact that Ed. Moore, like most pressed manufacturers at the time, did apparently produce a blue Vitro-Porcelain that, presumably, would have looked like Neil's pieces.                      Perhaps someone is able to post a picture of Moore's blue Vitro-Porcelain (known provenance), so that a comparison can be made  -  it would be surprising perhaps if batch colour variation had overlapped to the extent that on occasions 'eau de nil' and 'blue' were indistinguishable entirely.

With apologies to Anne E. B. for digressing from that delicious caramel            My OH makes a Caramel desert (sort of blancmange textured thingy) - scrumptious - I could sit and eat half a doz. in one go