Topic: Victorian Glass Vase Raspberry Pontil S&W Rockingham / Thomas Webb OR Walsh

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IMPORTANT Note:

In Gulliver the Registered Design lozenge impressed on two pieces on page 168 and also Page 169 states the design number is 390103 dated November 11 1882.
In Great Glass Glass notes this number seems to be dated 17 November 1882:
http://www.great-glass.co.uk/glass%20notes/lozenge6.htm


In British Glass 1800-1914, Hajdamach:
Page 435 shows 'Interesting examples of glassware recorded in Thomas Webb Sketch Books.'
 Design no 11895 for 1879 shows a vertical, ribbed vase with slightly bulbous bottom half and tall slightly flared upper half and an applied lizard type design (small hard to see) .  I think it says c. 6" tall.
The only other animals shown are an elephant handle vase an elephant sweet dish and a jug with a 'warrior' handle (looks like a lion type thing).

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IMPORTANT Note:

In Gulliver the Registered Design lozenge impressed on two pieces on page 168 and also Page 169 states the design number is 390103 dated November 11 1882.
In Great Glass Glass notes this number seems to be dated 17 November 1882:
http://www.great-glass.co.uk/glass%20notes/lozenge6.htm


In British Glass 1800-1914, Hajdamach:
Page 435 shows 'Interesting examples of glassware recorded in Thomas Webb Sketch Books.'
 Design no 11895 for 1879 shows a vertical, ribbed vase with slightly bulbous bottom half and tall slightly flared upper half and an applied lizard type design (small hard to see) .  I think it says c. 6" tall.
The only other animals shown are an elephant handle vase an elephant sweet dish and a jug with a 'warrior' handle (looks like a lion type thing).

Gulliver shows the crimped rim design and number with November 17, 1882 on page 271.  It's just a crimped rim line drawing.

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In addition there is a bowl on page 168 (Gulliver) which also has the Registered Design nu 390104 with the prunt impressed with the Reg Diamond mark 'incorporating the date code for November 11 (sic), 1882'.

I don't know anything about Victorian glass but there are some odd details on that vase.  Yes it has a six way crimp rim which I believe the reg mark was for and an impressed prunt with reg diamond on it, however it has enamelling which looks Bohemian and three green glass feet curved round the body in the form of seals.  They look Bohemian to me as well.  The body is described as 'formed in an Amberina type glass,shading from pale translucent amber at the base, up to ruby at the rim'.

It's an odd piece.  The rim has a a crimped shell design around it which look victoriana frilly but the rest looks like a Harrach vase.  Strange looking item.  Anyone else have the book?

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Jug in V&A identified as Thomas Webb with a diamond registration mark for the reeded scroll  feet design and handle.  A good example online to show the difference between these feet and Greg's bowl:
https://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O1192596/decanter-jug-and-ofallon-james/

Greg's bowl feet here:
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=67303.0;attach=219392;image


I couldn't see this decanter example in 'British Glass 1800-1914, Hajdamach' .  Neither is the diamond reg mark shown on page 448 under heading ' Thomas Webb marks'. 

Also the designer information -  I have a query over the dates:
V&A says:
'Decanter jug and ball stopper, engraved glass, set on four scrolled shell feet and with a scrolled shell handle, with a representation of the Punishment of Cupid on the ovoid body, probably designed by James O'Fallon, made by Thomas Webb & Sons, Amblecote, ca. 1870[/b].'
and
'Diamond registration mark for 19 October 1867. (Registration mark on the underside of the base for the shell feet and handle.)'

Hajdamach in British Glass 1800-1914 page 428 says:
'[]James O'Fallon, an expert in the carving of fruit and flowers, was Art Director at Dennis Glass Works for many years. He left the company in the early 1920s after more than forty years' service.[/b]

I suppose 'more than 40 years service is stretchable in terms of dates but him leaving in the early 1920s and going back over 40 years service, say 45 years ? could take it back to 1878.  A little later than the diamond reg mark and the c. date of the jug of 1870.

He was there in 1878 as The Pottery and Glass Trades Journal said he was complimented by the Prince of Wales on a large jug with a masked engraved handle:
see page 150
https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/The_Pottery_Glass_Trades_Journal/hyUGAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=thomas+webb+registration+mark&pg=PA150&printsec=frontcover

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A life of work could start at an earlier age than is typical today, have to assume someone proficient enough to receive such a compliment would not be a complete beginner in their craft. From memory AD Copier became head designer at Leerdam in his early twenties, he had started working there at the age of 13.

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Yes true, it was more I was trying to work out whether the designer/maker corresponded. 
I think some of the glassworkers were very young and at a later point in the 19thc attended school whilst at the glassworks as well - there is a big report on children in the industry somewhere.