Topic: ID of facon de Venise style wine glass

[tcole92372]

Hello!
I'd really appreciate any info about this wine glass. It's 16.5 cm tall, made of lead glass with a folded foot. Made in the style of facon de Venise, but when and where??
Cheers
tcole92372

[Paul S.]

Hi  -  welcome to the GMB.              Unlike some other 'period' glass, these things don't carry backstamps or signatures, so we may struggle with an attribution unless someone can id this exact appearance.

According to the books, a revival of this Venetian style in glass, in the U.K., is apparently centred around 1860 - 1880 period, and Salviati is credited with generating much of this interest and production, in London.        I only suggest that name in the sense that it might be a starting point - not that this one might be connected to his London manufacturing base - The Venice & London glass Company.               The big pressed glass company, Sowerby, also seem to have been involved in making some Venetian style glass, though not easy to find access to their pieces, and no doubt as you already know, James Powell were big in this style too.

Originally, this stuff was made in thin soda glass which may help with forming the more complex                Are you able to tell us how you acquired this example?       I've no idea as to your expertise in the field of glass identification - do you consider you have sufficient knowledge to determine whether this piece is genuinely C19 or a more modern copy?          I ask this as viewing images on the screen can be vastly less than informative to us the viewer, and genuine period pieces of this stuff are probably thin on the ground - hope you won't be offended by these inquisitive questions

Sorry this doesn't help - we don't see too much of this glass on the GMB  -  you might try the V. & A., and fingers crossed someone might recognize your glass.

[tcole92372]

Hello Paul S - thanks for your message and welcome to the GMB!

I Googled Salviati and found images of a glass attributed to this firm and featuring glass trails applied to the bowl in an almost identical manner to those on my glass. I acquired it in an online auction and have no provenance as such. I'm no expert in glass and wouldn't know a C19 piece from one made yesterday! However, the image of the Salviati glass is encouraging, perhaps.

Mod: copyright image removed and link added for you. Welcome to the board.

[Paul S.]

would be fortunate indeed if in fact you had found a match that quickly   -  success with pieces of the scarcity of your glass rarely happens with that sort of speed.

Regret I've zero experience with Facon de Venice style, so unable to help with further suggestions, and if no one else contributes you will need to make further investigations on your own  -  no idea of your location, but would repeat again that the V. & A. may well be able to help.    They did at one time offer a drop in surgery once or twice a month, but whether that facility remains I've no idea.           
Oddly I do have a small opalescent wine that a very experienced past member of the GMB attributed to Salviati's London production, but it's not in the sort of league of your flamboyant piece.

As to determining age, it depends much on the type of glass  -  pieces that are intended for use obviously show their age quicker than examples that are for decorative purposes only  -  we would hardly call you piece utility, so even with a century plus of wear, contact areas of the foot might remain almost pristine.

Period authenticity of your glass might depend of several factors  -  the auction description  -  the cost  -  how well it matches genuine Facon de Venise pieces of similar construction.
Your wine glass is from an area of collecting that's not for the fain hearted - don't know what you paid etc.  -  authentic wines in this style do not come cheaply, usually, which is a polite way of saying that you've jumped in at the deep end of a difficult collecting area, so don't be disappointed if at the end of the day your glass is a C20 copy and not something from the C19.

However, the main thing here is that you have a glass that you like and enjoy, so research the area, it's very interesting, and who knows you may have a winner.

[catshome]

Hello and welcome. 

What an interesting piece of glass for your first post on the board. 

If the picture in your second post is copied from the website in the link below, it will have to be removed for copyright reasons.  Links to examples are absolutely fine, as are images for which you hold copyright.

https://www.antiques-atlas.com/antique/art_nouveau_salviati__co_wine_glass_c1900/as864a004

The moderators will sort it all out!

[Paul S.]

cat - looking at the details in your link, the origin is stated to be the Gulf of Venice …………….    did Salviati make pieces on Murano, or did his company have connections there, do you know.                I thought he was active in London only, but of course that might have been a 'branch' only, with his main production on Murano  -  unfortunately, the 'sold' glass appears not to have been provided with any provenance for the Salviati attribution.

Looking at Wiki, it appears that 'Salviati' was indeed making his renaissance style on Murano, or thereabouts (as well as London, and possibly the Continent too), in the period we're talking about.   Perhaps he travelled between London and Murano to organize his company, though whether it's possible to say if a given piece was made in either London, or Murano, is another matter.

[catshome]

Hi Paul.  I think you answered your own question in the end!  I was more concerned about the origin of the image in the OP's second post, than the accuracy of the description of the item for sale.  Hopefully the OP will clarify.

[glassobsessed]

If the glass has any lead content I would doubt very much that it is from Salviati. How much does it weigh?

John