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Author Topic: Victorian bowl I/D ?  (Read 1134 times)

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Offline malcmat

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Victorian bowl I/D ?
« on: April 08, 2020, 08:07:34 PM »
Nearly finished the sort out of unknowns.
This bowl could well react to black light but torch missing in action.
Pressed glass bowl with a lovely decoration 6 inch dia at rim x 5.5 inches tall.
No I/D marks what so ever.
Looked through 3,844 images of the glass gallery without much luck.
many thanks
Malcolm

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Re: Victorian bowl I/D ?
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2020, 08:04:24 AM »
certainly looks to be a uranium content  -  take it out into bright sunshine - this will usually help to confirm.                I could be very wrong, but that inner ledge just below the rim suggests there may at one time have been a lid - so a lidded sugar possibly.

just thinking out loud, but have a look at Davidson  -  this overall appearance of - fan splits at the rim, panels of diamonds separated by vertical clear glass ribs, with a central line - vaguely similar to the 1890 suite  -  and the cross hatch lines on the fan splits are a noticeable feature shared with this piece.
Worth a look even if only to rule Davidson out.

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Re: Victorian bowl I/D ?
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2020, 11:09:47 AM »
Hi Paul S. Found my light and it glows well in the dark yes it does look as though a lid should accompany the bowl, but I could not find any ware marks on the inner rim you mentioned but that does not mean there isn’t one. The base and the fan decoration are all pointing to Davidsonsglass so will keep looking.
Many thanks for your input

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Re: Victorian bowl I/D ?
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2020, 08:43:53 PM »
The Davidson design that most closely matches you sugar is their RD no. 96945, registered on 31March 1888.

The original design representation drawing is online at
http://www.cloudglass.com/r18671890.htm.

Although the Davidson design and your sugar are somewhat similar, I'm still not 100% sure of a match.  The splayed fan ribs on the Davidson design do not have that wavy or horizontally-ridged  appearance. The diamond textured panels seem to differ in detail, and the vertical undecorated ribs between the Davidson panels are usually double.

I find the colour problematic too. I have never seen a Davidson RD 96945 piece in that plain yellow-green uranium glass. Most coloured example of Davidson RD 96945 are from their Pearline range (blue, primrose, or clear), and the only plain transparent coloured example I have seen was in amber glass.

A nice, interesting piece nonetheless.

Have a look at the GMB's Glass Gallery album of Registered designs at
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/thumbnails.php?album=763
and click on the blue 'search' tab near the main gallery heading, then type in 96945 or even Davidson 96945 to photos and details of the design.

Alternatively, open up
https://www.yobunny.org.uk/glassgallery/displayimage.php?pos=-18326
and look for thumbnails in the same vicinity.

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Re: Victorian bowl I/D ?
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2020, 09:51:09 PM »
Thank you Fred quite informative.

Malcolm

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Re: Victorian bowl I/D ?
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2020, 10:19:40 PM »
only quite ;-)            thanks Fred  -  I hadn't really convinced myself either, though it's possible the Stewart's example of the drawing of 96945 - is a tad misleading as to the actual appearance of that Registered design  -  am sure the diamonds are mostly seen in graduated form.

Not sure I really understand your comment of  "horizontally-ridged  appearance."  -  assume you mean all those very short little dashes at right angles to the upright fan splits.              That embellishment of the upright fan splits was something that Davidson did include on their 1890 suite, so I rather got carried away and since this piece shared that feature, then I thought there might be a connection.

So, despite some similarity, I share your doubts and feel I was likely on the wrong track with Davidson.

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Re: Victorian bowl I/D ?
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2020, 09:17:14 AM »
I don't think it's Davidson either, sorry

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