Topic: C19 rummer.

[Paul S.]

probably the best one I've had from a charity shop, and has a ring to die for  - most were lead glass which seems a tad odd since they were generally for tavern use.            Regret I now don't have the Rummer book, but suspect c. 1820 - 1850, but please shout if that's way off.   Capstan stem.                      Snapped pontil and plenty of wear, so seen much use  -  height is c. 13.5 cms.

[flying free]

I can't believe you did a long report on the Rummer book (iirc) and now don't have it.

I'll look through more thoroughly but there is a green gilded version v similar to yours re shape, bowl shape,stem and foot on page 41 height 13.1cm which apparently dates to c.1800.  The gilding refers to the Battle of Camperdown in June 1797.

And a wrythen molded one on page 29 also dated c1800.  On both I think the bowl is taller than yours and the foot wider though.

[flying free]

comparison pair shown on page 11.
The more refined version has a slimmer stem and taller bowl.  The less refined has a thicker straight stem and shorter bowl.  The less refined stem isn't shaped as yours is but is straight and thick.  It's dated c. 1840

Page 159 masonic rummer probably closest in shape but again bowl looks slightly taller than yours and foot wider. Spreading capstan stem and dated c.1800 16.1cm

[Paul S.]

gosh, thanks for digging around for me.           Agree, you are reading correctly  -  I did all that work on the book revue, and like a plonker then get rid of the book!!!              I would have thought that something like c. 1840 was a more likely date for this one  -  it's very plain but a nice piece to have and a reminder of what appears to be a design peculiar to the U.K., and of course nothing to do with a roemer.              Like most 'glass' things, many moons down the line it's v. difficult to be sure of the dates of many pieces  -  often shapes and designs remained for longer perhaps than we believe.           Perhaps best with this one to label it as c. 1800 - 1840  -  really pleased me to find this for a couple of quid!              thanks again    How much do you want for your copy of the book  -  only joking ;-);-) 

[NevB]

This site's shop section is always worth a look.


https://scottishantiques.com/shop/

[Keith Mick]

Had a very similar glass to this. It had a polished pontil so perhaps slightly later. Even pub glasses eventually had the pontil marks polished out. Date 1800 to1840 for this type of glass seems right.
Have been keeping an eye out for the rummer book myself!

[Paul S.]

many thanks NevB  -  in fact I know them from old, when I had more money to spend than now:-)

[Paul S.]

Keith Mick - did the author never reprint ??  perhaps too specialized a market.

[Keith Mick]

Hi Paul S., no reprint that I'm aware of. It's a niche subject I suppose. I've had a few different rummer type glasses, it would be nice to have a better reference book.

[neil53]

Hi, if you are talking about the Tim Mills book he isn't reprinting as far as I know.  I just exchanged emails with him earlier today.  These ovoid bowl rummers with the capstan stems are normally quoted by dealers as being late 18th to early 19th century (1790-1820).  I would err on the later date if it has a polished out pontil and if thickly blown.  The thinner blown ones with rough pontil marks are probably earlier, and are contemporaneous with the rummers with lemon squeezer feet from the same period.  Hope this helps.  Neil